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    Quote Originally Posted by NegativeS View Post
    the Warrior of Light's presence in the unsundered star did have an effect on the future, as Venat as Hydaelyn does remember the Warrior of Light from the past.
    For me this is the most glaring plot hole in a plot that's so full of them.

    Clearly she does, which means she did when she first 'chose' us in 2.0 .. yet she never once has mentioned it till now. 6.0 is in the 'future' in 2.0's time obviously but our trip to Elpis happened in the 'past' for her at that moment.

    This is the problem when stories try to use time travel as a plot device, no story I've ever read/played made a satisfactory use of it likely because if a writer tries to close all the plot holes this device creates the time travel device itself would fall apart.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pintsized View Post
    For me this is the most glaring plot hole in a plot that's so full of them.

    Clearly she does, which means she did when she first 'chose' us in 2.0 .. yet she never once has mentioned it till now. 6.0 is in the 'future' in 2.0's time obviously but our trip to Elpis happened in the 'past' for her at that moment.

    This is the problem when stories try to use time travel as a plot device, no story I've ever read/played made a satisfactory use of it likely because if a writer tries to close all the plot holes this device creates the time travel device itself would fall apart.
    Jepp. That is the reason why story writers should not introduce time traveling without being very careful. And if they introduce it then they should reduce the players to an observer role only. The FF14 story writers have made already some mistakes because of time travel to Elpis.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Pintsized View Post
    For me this is the most glaring plot hole in a plot that's so full of them.

    Clearly she does, which means she did when she first 'chose' us in 2.0 .. yet she never once has mentioned it till now. 6.0 is in the 'future' in 2.0's time obviously but our trip to Elpis happened in the 'past' for her at that moment.

    This is the problem when stories try to use time travel as a plot device, no story I've ever read/played made a satisfactory use of it likely because if a writer tries to close all the plot holes this device creates the time travel device itself would fall apart.
    The reason for that is because if she had told us it might have changed the future. If you subscribe to multiverse theory, if they do anything different than has already been done then it doesn't impact that time line but splits it off into its own alternate timeline. This is what happened to G'raha's original timeline. He went back and changed the future, resulting in an alternate timeline that is unrecognizable to the main one. If Hydaelyn had acknowledged our meeting before it happened it would have done the same thing, thus when we returned may not return to the same present we left. It's a causal loop, so long as the conditions remain the exact same there is no change to the timeline and does not result in an alternative timeline. Which is why she kept quiet until the exact point where she knew we had already traveled to the past. This exact method and reasoning of time travel is actually pretty common and used a lot in media, and is the most reasonable sense of it.
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