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    Quote Originally Posted by Connor View Post
    But the potency of Toxicon means that anytime I try to prepare Toxicon, I end up leaking damage because I had to use GCDs on Eukrasian Diagnosis (diagnoses? lol).
    Did they change how Eukrasia works while I was away? Enhancing your spells is not a dps loss it equates to a regular GCD.
    Eukrasia is a 1 second GCD recast with the spells it effects being 1.5 second recasts making it a regular 2.5 recast like any other spell.

    Quote Originally Posted by HyoMinPark View Post
    The main issue is their generation being a DPS loss more often than not.
    Correct me if I'm wrong but their generation is only a dps loss if you were to run out of mana because of generating them otherwise they're dps neutral.
    2 targets being a dps gain.

    But just generating them is the same as simply using a regular GCD except it costs you more mana which isn't a loss until you run out which shouldn't happen unless a lot of people are dying.

    Edit: I think I know why it's a dps loss now gunna recheck the posts later.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nethereal View Post
    Did they change how Eukrasia works while I was away? Enhancing your spells is not a dps loss it equates to a regular GCD.
    Eukrasia is a 1 second GCD recast with the spells it effects being 1.5 second recasts making it a regular 2.5 recast like any other spell.



    Correct me if I'm wrong but their generation is only a dps loss if you were to run out of mana because of generating them otherwise they're dps neutral.
    2 targets being a dps gain.

    But just generating them is the same as simply using a regular GCD except it costs you more mana which isn't a loss until you run out which shouldn't happen unless a lot of people are dying.

    Edit: I think I know why it's a dps loss now gunna recheck the posts later.
    it's a dps loss because you spend an entire gcd on a barrier that instead of casting dosis 3
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    Hyomin Park
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nethereal View Post
    Correct me if I'm wrong but their generation is only a dps loss if you were to run out of mana because of generating them otherwise they're dps neutral.
    2 targets being a dps gain.

    But just generating them is the same as simply using a regular GCD except it costs you more mana which isn't a loss until you run out which shouldn't happen unless a lot of people are dying.

    Edit: I think I know why it's a dps loss now gunna recheck the posts later.
    Toxicon is a DPS loss because you sacrifice a GCD to cast Eukrasian Diagnosis over Dosis III, and a Toxicon isn’t potent enough to make up the lost Dosis III cast. It is only DPS neutral if there is downtime within a fight for you to cast E.Diagnosis while a boss is untargetable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HyoMinPark View Post
    Toxicon is a DPS loss because you sacrifice a GCD to cast Eukrasian Diagnosis over Dosis III, and a Toxicon isn’t potent enough to make up the lost Dosis III cast. It is only DPS neutral if there is downtime within a fight for you to cast E.Diagnosis while a boss is untargetable.
    It depends a little on the encounter and circumstances. In perfectly optimized parties, yeah its a loss to Diag to get a Toxikon.
    Even in fights where the boss never goes untargetable, the best it can do is DPS neutral since you're trading a Dosis now to get that Dosis back while moving later on to deal with a mechanic that might otherwise cause a skipped or late GCD.

    It just sits in a weird place lol. Its not a DPS loss to use a Toxikon, but most of the time it is a DPS loss to generate one lol.
    I really wish E-Prog shield breaks generated Adderstings as well.
    At least that way we'd get 3 free DPS GCDs off anytime a raidwide happened.

    Really wish they'd take a step towards fixing Healer issues by upping the frequency of all unavoidable damage.
    I'm starting to think that the issues we face are down to the class designers building the jobs similarly to a DPS job with all our oGCD heals aligning perfectly with incoming damage, leaving GCD heals to gather dust.

    Just be brave SE, take unavoidable raidwides and give them a random cooldown so they just do it whenever they feel like it instead of scripting it so heavily T_T
    I do wish they'd give us Savage 4-mans where they just massively boost Auto damage from bosses and just take ALL their abilities off script with no cooldowns. Some of those dungeons would get mighty hectic lol.
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