Why does Sage punish you for using your healing spells?

[HyoMinPark]

Great, now I'm being stalked for sharing my opinion. If anything, the fact that I clear savage and ultimate gives me some credibility as to why I think this job has a fundamental design flaw. Don't attack my character when that's not the point of this post, instead you can talk about the points I bought up.

Any Savage or Ultimate-tier healer worth their salt knows you don’t rely heavily on GCD heals; they know that most healing is done via oGCDs first, and then GCD heals only if you have to. So your insistence to have Kardia proc on healing GCDs is not logic consistent with current healer gameplay at any decent level—not even a high one.

There’s nothing wrong with the way Kardia functions. If you are expecting it to be a primary source of healing while ignoring your Addersgall abilities, then you are playing the job incorrectly. I’ve leveled Sage and played it near exclusively since early access, and the only instances where I actually have to resort to GCD healing is with tanks that don’t understand how to use their defensives, or if damage is so low that they’ve run out and my resources are strained between dungeon pulls. In the current EXs, the only time I touch a GCD heal is during downtime (e.g., before adds in the level 89 EX, and that’s purely to proc Toxicon stacks).

Your thread is being called a troll thread since it seems to be a trend lately for people to come here and troll. And healer DPS is basically the low hanging fruit for trolls.

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

it's a troll thread, look up their name on a certain raiding website and you'll see that they know how to play the game

When one have cleared that level of gameplay, it’s very unlikely why they can’t even tell what’s the answer to this kind of question the thread imposed. It takes a considerable investment in term of time, and learning effort—they can’t possibly learn nothing out of it.

Ngl, I genuinely thought it’s a legit ‘sprout cries’. Now that has been brought up, everything sounds disingenuous. A fitting trademark of a troll thread. Thank you for pointing this out. That's one more to the list of trolls, they're just getting thicker and thicker!

[Rinhi]

Great, now I'm being stalked for sharing my opinion. If anything, the fact that I clear savage and ultimate gives me some credibility as to why I think this job has a fundamental design flaw. Don't attack my character when that's not the point of this post, instead you can talk about the points I bought up.

attacking your character by pointing out that you clearly know how to play the game in hard content at good levels? what.
or do you mean the fact that the whole premise of the thread is 'healers doing dps is suboptimal' because it's part of the job?
why do you say that when you clearly deal a lot of damage in extremes and savages, because you know you're supposed to, basically disagreeing with your very own OP by way of your playstyle, yet make the thread about how a healer having to DPS is bad? congrats on baiting so many people into responding in earnest, I guess?

[Veliaire]

This person put forth their valid concerns and is being treated like a villain. This is disgusting. We are better than this.

[GarretStrongstaf]

If you are reduced to spamming GCDs (Eukrasian Diagnosis is better than Diagnosis, which is less potent than Cure I and unusable in any higher level dungeon) on the tank, then you have an issue that isn’t even related to Sage. Either your tank isn’t popping defensives, or your DPS are failing to kill trash packs fast enough (likely from not AOEing). Sage may have a harder time than other healers in dungeons due to lack of burst healing, but it isn’t bad.

Thank you for this! ^^ There are a handful of new tanks who think they can get away without using their full kit to mitigate during large pulls and blame the healer when the entire lvl 80 SGE kit fails to keep them up. This is the player who didn't bother to map "Rampart" to their hot bar (or read any of their other tool tips for that matter). I've said this before and I'll say it again: "If it doesn't excite a player to figure out ways to take the least amount of damage possible, then the tank role may not be for them."

[Rilifane]

This person put forth their valid concerns and is being treated like a villain. This is disgusting. We are better than this.

Is it valid, though?
Sage was designed to have higher and targetable auto heal potency than SCH's fairy under the premise they generally dps (170 per GCD vs. 180 per tick). Any GCD spend on healing brings them closer to fairy auto heals first until they ultimately fall behind if they drop too much dps. That is the way the job was designed and isn't a flaw.
A flaw would be if you could only gain Addersgall stacks out of combat. Or that SCH has to GCD summon their fairy while Sage's Kardia lasts through death and is applied with an oGCD.
As it is, Sage is designed as the healer that is encouraged to keep dps uptime for more free heal potency - it was announced as the dps healer posterchild and the class mechanic reflects this. If someone wants to GCD heal without any "punishment" (except the chunky dps loss, of course), they have 3 other healers to play.
Just like someone who doesn't likes fewer buttons has WHM and, to an extend, Sage or someone who enjoys buffs has AST.

[SturmChurro]

Tell your tanks to stop being bad and use their defensive cooldowns.

Easier said than done. Bad tanks are just how it is in the dungeon roulette. A player can either get banned for "compelling a playstyle" by wording it nicely, or banned for "harassment" if they worded it that way.

Might as well not beat around the bush anymore though.. It's not me, it's them. It's probably more of a compliment on sage's abilities that I can even keep most of them up in the first place.

[Nihility]

kardion is not meant to be the main source of healing, it's more akin to the fairy
It does heal for more as well in exchange for less uptime

Sage is just a more difficult healer to play optimally and in all honesty it's probably the worst healer for dungeons.
It's based around having a lot more shielding and mitigation in exchange for less raw healing.

To excel as a Sage you need to be proactive and know fights well enough that your able to prevent the damage that is going to happen
while a WHM for example just needs to be reactive and repair damage that has already happened

[Sylve]

Apparently not, because I have to focus heal too often. I can't even attempt to use a damage ability or some of these tanks are probably going to die on some pulls. I have to be playing it wrong, like I have to be, but I am not sure how I can be.. I use their kit, but STILL I have these tanks drop so fast. Maybe these tanks aren't using cds, I, admittedly, haven't been paying attention to that when I am healing on it, but I don't know. Maybe it's just my anxiety talking, but I think I hate the class. Simple as that. I much prefer white mage.

100%, its the Tank not using their cooldowns.
In the first week after i hit 90 on Sage and did the EXR dungeons, many a tank came through in full 89 Job gear and i had to use every Addersgall charge, Rhiz, every oGCD button and was still needing to spam E-Diag to keep them off the floor. And then they sprint directly into the next pack to do it all over again! T_T
Recently dove back into SCH and was doing the 81 dungeon. Tank did a mass pull and died despite having Fey Union attached, SS, WD, spending every AF charge at my disposal AND bending every GCD to Adloq with every emergency cooldown blown.
And when he died, the Monk was easier to heal despite that no mobs had died yet, lol. Easier to the point i was able to Raise the tank and tap him back to full while also keeping the Monk alive >_>

And the the other night, i finally convinced a friend who was adamant she couldn't tank the 90 dungeons because her gear was garbage (She derped and forgot entirely about the job gear lol) to tank EXRoulette for me.
She went in on her DRK still wearing level 80 Crystarium armor with a couple of dungeon pieces between 83 and 87. How she even had the ilvl I'll never know but aside from needing to use E-Diag slightly more often than the average for a pull, i was still able to heal her easily enough and keep her HP near full for entire mass pulls while spending the majority of GCDs on Toxikon and Dyskrasia.

But shes a good tank who knows how to use her cooldowns. And thats the difference. Tanks mitigation is way more important now than it used to be. Partially due to the early stages of our ilvls but also because of the stat squish.

Panhaima+Kerachole+Pepsis II+Dyskrasia to open a mass pull. Your tank will be nigh impossible to kill due to the combined 100/130/170 basically equating to spamming Diagnosis on the tank while also doing AoE.
Gets even better when you add Soteria to boost Kardia's effect.
If the mobs are still alive after that runs dry, Taurchole for the DR and mixing E-Diags between dps GCDs so you dont waste cooldowns before the next pack.
Also, loading up Eukrasia and holding it while using Toxikon/Dyskrasia can help with reactively dropping E-Diags to smooth out any damage spikes the tank suffers (Many of the larger dungeon mobs have mini tank busters)

I have actually found Sage to be the Healer that clicked best with me. SCH, AST and WHM just feel awkward and slow to me now

[SturmChurro]

100%, its the Tank not using their cooldowns. (...)

Oh, yeah. I know. I always knew, I just didn't want to be mean. I only recently started playing it, and I thought maybe it was a little on me, but yeah, no. The sheer difference in DF tank skill level, where I could have a clean run, and the next a complete mess, with no real changes on my end, just proves it. I seem to be getting a large amount of bad tanks while leveling, and they sure are noticeable on a Sage.