Dark Knight Megathread

[Kaixern]

Just to had something (maybe/surely it's gonna be useless)
It's perfectly normal to be able to enjoy something that is broken and objectively bad without feeling any guilt at all.

For example i've pre-ordered not only Cyberpunk 2077 but also Warcraft 3 Reforged, which was/is a hot mess, a cash grab an a total piece of ****
But still, I enjoyed these games and i'm still enjoying them if i go play them.
the thing is, i don't have to pretend they are flawless in order to validate the fact that i enjoy them.
It's perfectly fine for me as i said to enjoy them, like it's fine to watch trash quality movies.
Where it would be wrong for me would be the moment i tried to argue these are better than they are.
And that's how i feel about Dark knight.

So, as i said what i'm saying, i'm sure is gonna be usless, but please acknlowedge the fact that it's okay for people to enjoy a class, no matter how messed up it is, but don't try to make up fake excuses for it if you do enjoy it.

(Sorry again,as said before the message may be completely useless but the purpose was the refocus the conversation on the big flaws of dark knight before any chances the messages deviated too hard from the main subject.....like mine i guess)

[Shin96]

I could go record a dungeon run right now with no problems, like I've been doing since I reached 90, and it still wouldn't dissuade anyone because the narrative has already been solidified and "my run was lucky because my team had more than a single braincell between them." Because carrying teams who can't dodge the bright circles on the ground is now the rule and expectation, rather than the exception and outlier.

The truth is we have so many players of varying skill that the developers just finally decided to remove the factor of responsibility to avoid frustrating outcomes. It was necessary, because as you mentioned, the exception is being able to play well and avoid mechanics and dodge them which many apparently seem to consider luck.

The holy trinity is basically gone by now. The more players you have the less agency you can expect from them. Ultimately, no one is at fault here but the circumstances are there and it hit healers and tanks probably the hardest.

[Kalaam]

Honestly at level 90 that shouldn't be the case.
It's ok to wipe, that's how you learn. Put some trust in the players please.

[Aluja89]

LOL shut up Kalaam, trust in other players. This joker.

I said I was gonna level it and two levels in I already feel spent, it just feels so daunting to tank with it now putting all my trust in healers, because in the 3 runs so far in Zot I died twice near the end because of a lack of CDs, if that didn't annoy me already I get idiots on my back complaining how I can't take that many on the second attempt with all my CDs.

This particular idiot has a maximum of 2 levels(61-GNB, 31-DRK) in tanking and he's talking like he knows what's up.

[Kalaam]

I was addressive the devs, they should have more faith in players. let them learn and curve up the challenge a bit.

[Rasrandir]

I started playing with Shadowbringers, so I apparently missed the golden times of DRK. Still I want to share my feedback as someone who has played 2000 hours since SHB release and most of them were on tanks (DRK main, but all on 80/90)

1. Dark knights 1-2-3 combo is incredibly boring. He suffers from massive amounts of button bloat, and the focus on TBN alone to solve all your problems actively hurts the class. It also feels like it doesn't bring anything to the table when you bring a dark knight. TBN is not enough of a focus to create a real identity for the job. Unlike PLDs versitility, WARs self sustain or GNBs damage DRK feels lacking in the identity department. I would love to see them expand on the idea of a "shield tank" making him unique compared to the other tanks, who now all boast increased amounts of survivability and damage mitigation.
His Rotation and opener is also incredibly front loaded. After a minute of shuffling OGCDs around and burning your mana, you will be stuck with the boring 1-2-3 combo mentioned earlier. REMOVE OR REWORK LIVING DEAD FOR HYDAELYNS SAKE

2. As mentioned, DRK has deep rooted problems being his convoluted button bloat and lack of identity. Giving him a focus and something he excels at to set him apart from other tanks would make DRK worthwhile again. (E.G: Shield tank)
Reduce button bloat, give him actual Job MECHANICS. Not just OGCDs for the sake of pressing shiny buttons, but actual MECHANICS. (Like PLDs switching between Phys. and Magic rotation)

3. Having not played any previous iterations before 5.0, I can only assume what it must've been like. From what I could gather, DRK lost a lot of identity when going into 5.0 but even in 4.0 as well.
Going from a tank with a lot of self sustain to one with basically none.
He is now more front loaded than ever, and feels clunky compared to other tanks.

4. Not gonna lie, his main appeal are "Edgy" and "Big sword go BRR". i am a sucker for great swords and I love (LOVE) his job quest. There are also so many possibilites and ideas óf directions you could take DRKs gameplay to which remain unused and unexplored.

Would love to see DRK getting an EXTENSIVE overhaul, making him unique again and different from other tanks.

In suffering,

Rasrandir

[Hart]

Really all they would need to do to fix Living Dead is to just remove the walking dead status. Let it keep the dark knight alive at 0 HP (instead of at 1 with walking dead status), keeping in line with the name unless you're still at zero at the end of the timer. Boom, problem solved. I don't understand why this job is the only tank skill with the caveat that it has to be healed to full or you just die. It can't be lore related, because we all know that typically healing the undead in Final Fantasy games hurts them. We're not asking for "unhallowed ground", just not to die without FULL intervention.

[Danelo]

I played rpr for the first time yesterday and I can’t help but think there were things held back from DRK for RPR. *****Fun*****

It’s just fun. It’s not a burden to play and you don’t get the nagging feeling you are burdening your group by virtue of the job you brought.

I started tanking for DRK but that job has been dead for a long time it’s back to DPS I go.

[RatCopter]

If we're spitballing ideas for Living Dead again, I'd like to see it work along the lines of "set your HP to 1 and can't go below for 10s, heal for a portion of damage taken at the end of duration."
Itd be like putting health aside for later.

[RyuDragnier]

I played rpr for the first time yesterday and I can’t help but think there were things held back from DRK for RPR. *****Fun*****

I noticed it too. Arcane Crest's HoT effect feels like something that was originally meant for DRK.