Request for Utsusemi

[Xoo]

Sorry, but all I've heard so far is, collectively: UTSUSEMI SUCKS. OMGWTFLOL TROLL.

Is it possible you guys can give some details of why you think so?

[Firon]

Sorry, but all I've heard so far is, collectively: UTSUSEMI SUCKS. OMGWTFLOL TROLL.

Is it possible you guys can give some details of why you think so?

This single skill made almost all subs useless and made an DEf tank into an evasion tank...

[Xoo]

This single skill made almost all subs useless and made an DEf tank into an evasion tank...

Um, so you're saying that having that 'other' tank as an option was a bad thing? You do realize how hard it was to find a single Paladin when you needed one? Perhaps it wasn't Utsusemi alone that negated the usefulness of other subs - rather, the uselessness of said subs.

[Wolfie]

Um, so you're saying that having that 'other' tank as an option was a bad thing?

That other tank wasn't an option for 90% of content. Why couldn't the two types of tanks be equal, or at least as close to equal as possible, in all content?

You do realize how hard it was to find a single Paladin when you needed one?

Do you know why? It was because nobody wanted to level a Paladin, because nobody in exp parties cared to have a Paladin tank. Everyone wanted a Ninja, and it was directly reflected in the end-game population of tanks.

Perhaps it wasn't Utsusemi alone that negated the usefulness of other subs - rather, the uselessness of said subs.

No, /NIN negated the other subs because Utsusemi was so far above the other abilities that other subs provided, that you would be f**king stupid not to take it. It gave you no-brainer, easy-mode defenses for tanks and exponentially higher damage for DPS classes. There was no other sub that you could use, because they were all s**t by comparison.

[Firon]

That other tank wasn't an option for 90% of content. Why couldn't the two types of tanks be equal, or at least as close to equal as possible, in all content?



Do you know why? It was because nobody wanted to level a Paladin, because nobody in exp parties cared to have a Paladin tank. Everyone wanted a Ninja, and it was directly reflected in the end-game population of tanks.



No, /NIN negated the other subs because Utsusemi was so far above the other abilities that other subs provided, that you would be f**king stupid not to take it. It gave you no-brainer, easy-mode defenses for tanks and exponentially higher damage for DPS classes. There was no other sub that you could use, because they were all s**t by comparison.

Idk how long you played XI but pld was pretty much the go to tank for everything. Except maybe exp pt's that's all.

[Wolfie]

Idk how long you played XI but pld was pretty much the go to tank for everything. Except maybe exp pt's that's all.

PLD was the go-to tank for linkshells that didn't have a NIN tank that was well geared, and for the very few NMs that hit like a Mack truck and required a tank with high HP and defense.

And even for those, PLD/NIN was an exceedingly common tank. FFXI's NIN job saw more love and overpowered skills than any class in any MMO I've played.

[Firon]

PLD was the go-to tank for linkshells that didn't have a NIN tank that was well geared, and for the very few NMs that hit like a Mack truck and required a tank with high HP and defense.

And even for those, PLD/NIN was an exceedingly common tank. FFXI's NIN job saw more love and overpowered skills than any class in any MMO I've played.

No lol PLD was the go to tank for all end game nin had to little hp and pld could cast ustu better than nin cause its passive trait which is when you block you cant get spell interrupt.. I played main tank for 6 years endgame and only seen nin tanks around early 2005 XI after that it was all pld/nin.

[Dawiichan]

Or don't add Utsusemi at all and just give bard an AoE Blink. I loved Ninja and all but I can see why it shouldn't be added in the same way that it was in XI. Maybe make it an EVA buff or reduced dmg buff for a certain number of hits, but make it class restricted on an actually DD... (Thinks of Ninja)

[Chardrizard]

Idk how long you played XI but pld was pretty much the go to tank for everything. Except maybe exp pt's that's all.

PLD with a NIN sub lol.

[Xoo]

That other tank wasn't an option for 90% of content. Why couldn't the two types of tanks be equal, or at least as close to equal as possible, in all content?

Blood tanking or evasion tanking. The situation/enemy decided.

Do you know why? It was because nobody wanted to level a Paladin, because nobody in exp parties cared to have a Paladin tank. Everyone wanted a Ninja, and it was directly reflected in the end-game population of tanks.

Possibly nobody wanted to level Paladin, and equally as possible that many had already done so.

No, /NIN negated the other subs because Utsusemi was so far above the other abilities that other subs provided, that you would be f**king stupid not to take it. It gave you no-brainer, easy-mode defenses for tanks and exponentially higher damage for DPS classes. There was no other sub that you could use, because they were all s**t by comparison.

Was Paladin not even easier to tank with? Flash > Provoke? Sounds pretty technical!