People advertising they're running Parsers

[Ransu]

Regardless of a parser not modifying any code and the whole "Don't ask don't tell", I think parsing should be a bannable offense. There is no point in needing to run a parser at all. It's literally only a tool to feed your own ego on FFLogs, belittle others and weed out players who aren't performing to said parsers desirable level.

This game literally has hard enrage timers on its end game content.....You don't "need" it, but to say it should be bannable and its only to feed peoples ego's is ridiculous. It is a legitimate tool to help improve your gameplay.

[xxmiamorecadenza]

Regardless of a parser not modifying any code and the whole "Don't ask don't tell", I think parsing should be a bannable offense. There is no point in needing to run a parser at all. It's literally only a tool to feed your own ego on FFLogs, belittle others and weed out players who aren't performing to said parsers desirable level.

Do you know what an enrage timer is? Have you ever encountered a DPS check?

Those exist in this game btw. If you didn’t.

[Michieltjuhh]

I found it an incredibly welcome sight to have people brave enough to add the description of 'Logs' to their extreme trial groups rather than the standard description of 'Farm' where the leader dies 5 times during the attempt and/or brings their undergeared friend who hasn't even seen the fight before.

People feel to entitled to get carried in this game because you're not allowed to speak against it, so having some groups dare to imply they'll do some quality control is awesome.

[Sylve]

Regardless of a parser not modifying any code and the whole "Don't ask don't tell", I think parsing should be a bannable offense. There is no point in needing to run a parser at all. It's literally only a tool to feed your own ego on FFLogs, belittle others and weed out players who aren't performing to said parsers desirable level.

When practicing an opener for a new Job, How can you tell on a training dummy over the 20~ second burst window whether smashing random buttons that light up or following a rigorously tested 'meta' sequence produces a more desirable result?
How would one even discover that 'meta' sequence if parsing was impossible?

Thats a genuine question by the way. How WOULD you check that?
Doing a screen record (Ohnoes third party program being used to improve ones DPS!), writing down all the numbers frame by frame and then mathing out all the damage numbers manually in a calculator, Like a parser does with log files?
Is it OK if you manually punched the numbers in?

How would you find out whats causing your party to hit hard enrage timers in Savage raids? It only takes 1 person falling even slightly below the required thresholds to consistently fail enrages.
Would you just tell your entire static to bugger off into SSS and not come out until they achieve a particular kill timer? If so, How is that in any way different to requiring a specific DPS number? All you've done is trade "DPS requirement" for "SSS Kill timer proof".

*sigh*

As long as you keep it to yourself, I have zero issue with it.

Funny you say that, since its Yoshi-Ps stated stance lol.
There was an event a while back whereby a streamer got banned after using his parser to insult a party member. The GMs do care about keeping people who can't be polite to others accountable.
If you see someone using a parser to be cruel to people, report them. They WILL suffer consequences. You won't see it because the GMs don't make a habit of reporting to everyone the outcome of every investigation, but that action was taken.
(inb4 'but they never do anything about bots!', taking down bots requires a different approach to prevent the botters from catching onto what got their bot caught so they can't easily make the bot harder to detect)

Also, In all my years playing XIV, I have never seen someone attack a party member with information that could only have been acquired from a parser.
Plenty of incidents where someone has rudely pointed out rotational failures, lack of buff usage or even just appearing below the Healer on Enmity.
Even times where a healer is berated for not casting DPS spells at all, which is visible via the cast bars.
But that's all stuff you can see in-game without a parser.
Can't assume everyone who is rude to people about performance has a parser running.

[JanVanding]

I found it an incredibly welcome sight to have people brave enough to add the description of 'Logs' to their extreme trial groups rather than the standard description of 'Farm' where the leader dies 5 times during the attempt and/or brings their undergeared friend who hasn't even seen the fight before.

People feel to entitled to get carried in this game because you're not allowed to speak against it, so having some groups dare to imply they'll do some quality control is awesome.

Except it's time for a bit of truth over the new EX trial parsers especially.

I'm now the highest achievable iLevel with a fine tuned build, still fine tuning my rotation and always pull my weight, but my parse is only green...

I checked to see if this was on me, but then I noticed something after checking the purple and orange parse results in my job....

They are doing absolutely horrible dps during both EX add phases (some drop as low as 2k dps), because unlike previous EXes the add phase doesn't count toward your result and guess what that means?

They're getting carried by others in the add phase because they value a parse result over consistent clearing, their greed is actually endangering runs of failing because they're not using their rotation and tools as they're supposed to, to clear the add phase.

And guess what happens if the add phase does fail because say only 1 of the 4 is using their tools correctly? They instantly leave in a huff.

Why would you not Apex/Blast arrow the lined up adds? Why would you not fire off Radiant Finale/BV to make the add phase as smooth as possible? Greedy, Selfish desire to have a top parse.

I take absolutely massive exception to this kind of behaviour and will blacklist anyone I suspect of holding the team back on account of their own parse.

Your parse means nothing if you are going to potentially cause a wipe because "buh add phase don't count"

This is my problem with parse obsession, this will always be my problem with parse obsession and it's something I stand fully behind.

The tool is for self improvement, for tidying up where you go wrong

Not for getting your backside carried through certain phases because "it doesn't effect your score"

[Rolder50]

Except it's time for a bit of truth over the new EX trial parsers especially.

I'm now the highest achievable iLevel with a fine tuned build, still fine tuning my rotation and always pull my weight, but my parse is only green...

I checked to see if this was on me, but then I noticed something after checking the purple and orange parse results in my job....

They are doing absolutely horrible dps during both EX add phases (some drop as low as 2k dps), because unlike previous EXes the add phase doesn't count toward your result and guess what that means?

They're getting carried by others in the add phase because they value a parse result over consistent clearing, their greed is actually endangering runs of failing because they're not using their rotation and tools as they're supposed to, to clear the add phase.

And guess what happens if the add phase does fail because say only 1 of the 4 is using their tools correctly? They instantly leave in a huff.

Why would you not Apex/Blast arrow the lined up adds? Why would you not fire off Radiant Finale/BV to make the add phase as smooth as possible? Greedy, Selfish desire to have a top parse.

I take absolutely massive exception to this kind of behaviour and will blacklist anyone I suspect of holding the team back on account of their own parse.

Your parse means nothing if you are going to potentially cause a wipe because "buh add phase don't count"

This is my problem with parse obsession, this will always be my problem with parse obsession and it's something I stand fully behind.

The tool is for self improvement, for tidying up where you go wrong

Not for getting your backside carried through certain phases because "it doesn't effect your score"

I went to go double check if this is true, and from what I can gather, the default metric used for ranks is purely "Damage" with "Damage to Bosses" being a different metric you can select if you want. Hell, the main metric used for ranking the jobs is also just the Damage metric. I then went and checked some of the top scorers and wasn't able to find any examples of this. It'd be great if you could present what you are seeing, otherwise it seems like you're just making stuff up.

[JanVanding]

I went to go double check if this is true, and from what I can gather, the default metric used for ranks is purely "Damage" with "Damage to Bosses" being a different metric you can select if you want. Hell, the main metric used for ranking the jobs is also just the Damage metric. I then went and checked some of the top scorers and wasn't able to find any examples of this. It'd be great if you could present what you are seeing, otherwise it seems like you're just making stuff up.

Literally took me all of two seconds to check.

Add phase world number 2 EX trial 2: 396 dps

Yes, 396. I shan't link it because rules, but you're quite free to check it yourself.

[Rilifane]

SSS can let you get away with somethings that you wouldn't be able to in an actual fight. Part of the rotation optimization is adapting it to the fight at hand, and figuring out what you are doing with that downtime, or adjusting it so you don't end up losing a GCD when you don't have to. Theory crafters use parsers to test out their rotations. Parsing is a necessary part of raiding, always has been and always will be. SSS isn't a good enough substitute. It is possible to clear SSS, but still not be able to adapt to the actual fight.

Not to mention SSS isn't properly balanced. It's common knowledge by now that some classes faceroll their way through it while others barely make it at the same ilvl or may even need to use food/ pots.
And SSS is especially useless for healers because being able to hit 2111111111 for 3min straight doesn't say anything about their actual dps in a fight where people take damage.
It's an okayish indicator but anyone worth their salt knows it says little about how someone will behave in an actual fight.
So this whole "just do SSS, you don't need a parser" people keep bringing up only bespeaks a lack of experience in endgame content.
Fflogs and xiva are not perfect but miles better than SSS.

[HappyHubris]

Only in FFXIV do people consider analyzing performance to be a mortal threat.

Just stay out of extremes and savages.

[HappyHubris]

Except it's time for a bit of truth over the new EX trial parsers especially.

I'm now the highest achievable iLevel with a fine tuned build, still fine tuning my rotation and always pull my weight, but my parse is only green...

I checked to see if this was on me, but then I noticed something after checking the purple and orange parse results in my job....

They are doing absolutely horrible dps during both EX add phases (some drop as low as 2k dps), because unlike previous EXes the add phase doesn't count toward your result and guess what that means?

They're getting carried by others in the add phase because they value a parse result over consistent clearing, their greed is actually endangering runs of failing because they're not using their rotation and tools as they're supposed to, to clear the add phase.

And guess what happens if the add phase does fail because say only 1 of the 4 is using their tools correctly? They instantly leave in a huff.

Why would you not Apex/Blast arrow the lined up adds? Why would you not fire off Radiant Finale/BV to make the add phase as smooth as possible? Greedy, Selfish desire to have a top parse.

I take absolutely massive exception to this kind of behaviour and will blacklist anyone I suspect of holding the team back on account of their own parse.

Your parse means nothing if you are going to potentially cause a wipe because "buh add phase don't count"

This is my problem with parse obsession, this will always be my problem with parse obsession and it's something I stand fully behind.

The tool is for self improvement, for tidying up where you go wrong

Not for getting your backside carried through certain phases because "it doesn't effect your score"

0.1% of people misusing a tool doesn't make it a bad thing.

Bots use /sh for spamming real money services, but that doesn't make /sh bad for the game.

Those people are likely in prebuolt groups that support their parse attempts, not random PF clears.