People advertising they're running Parsers

[lisaa]

They are plugins into ACT that work because ACT provides them with that data.

[LittleImp]

That's because LittleImp is incorrect. ACT is the plugin that writes out the logs in a format that is used not only for the plugin, but also FFLogs. The two developers often work together to ensure they are in sync with changes.

I skimmed over the first line of their post, my bad.

ACT generates a log file by reading memory or network packets, using a plugin created by a third party developer. FFLogs DOES NOT use log files generated by the game itself, and relies upon the log files generated via said ACT plugin. That said, this program is read-only, and is essentially impossible for SE to detect without adding intrusive anti-cheat that may run afoul of the law in certain regions where the game is available. They don't enforce their policies around it because they feel they can't.

ACT does allow you to view figures in real time, but is generally considered primitive and difficult to navigate in order to derive meaningful information from, so many players decide instead to upload the logfile and focus on the post-game analytics provided by FFLogs.This means that many people who interact with parsing don't actually run the software themselves, but can still make use of the analytics.

[ACXVIII]

Yoshi-p just literally said it :
- “But I know you’ll see this in party finder”
- “Only join if you can prove XXX amount of dps “
- “We never want that to happen “

Basically what people are doing lol https://youtu.be/e_i6mjiGerU

[Endariel]

On a side not, se probably needs to add a dps meter only to SSS. Not the vague concept of "you have 3 minutes to kill the target".
LOA devs are, for example, too against in game dps meters, but eventually added one only, and only, in trision(training grounds, SSS)

[LittleImp]

Yoshi-p just literally said it :
- “But I know you’ll see this in party finder”
- “Only join if you can prove XXX amount of dps “
- “We never want that to happen “

Basically what people are doing lol https://youtu.be/e_i6mjiGerU

People will still do this kind of thing in the absence of a parser. I've even seen PS4 statics which require you to send screenshot proof of your Stone, Sky, Sea kill-time as part of the application process.

Really, they would need to eliminate DPS checks / enrage altogether to cure this problem; As long as content has hard numeric requirements, people are going to be unhappy if someone is holding the party back by underperforming.

[ACXVIII]

I’m just saying, people are defending the advertisement of parsers on party finder and saying that “it’s ok, just don’t join them”. It is not ok, but not because of the toxicity it will bring if it will bring any, but because it goes against of what YoshiP and the devs are stating. It’s their game and you abide by their rules. If they say no, then it’s no.

Also “send a screenshot of your stone kill time” it will be taken as a form of harassment by SE, but I see your point.

[Ransu]

I’m just saying, people are defending the advertisement of parsers on party finder and saying that “it’s ok, just don’t join them”. It is not ok, but not because of the toxicity it will bring if it will bring any, but because it goes against of what YoshiP and the devs are stating. It’s their game and you abide by their rules. If they say no, then it’s no.

Also “send a screenshot of your stone kill time” it will be taken as a form of harassment by SE, but I see your point.

I'm not defending those groups. If you see that in party finder then send in a report and the GM's will deal with it. I am however defending the general use of parsers. I think they are a great tool for personal use and for FFLOGS to get a general idea of overall end game class balance. Yes, it sucks that the more hardcore groups push them the way they do, but I quite like SE's general stance on it which is "we know you use it, just don't harass people with it." So ya, 100% absolutely report anyone who is using it to gate/harass players.

[VirusOnline]

Really, they would need to eliminate DPS checks / enrage altogether to cure this problem; As long as content has hard numeric requirements, people are going to be unhappy if someone is holding the party back by underperforming.

Then the difficulty of savage becomes null. The fight can drag for 15m+ with players who don't know what a combo is. It would inherently encourage bad habits and play. We would have turned savage into ... a normal raid with extra mechanics lol.

I’m just saying, people are defending the advertisement of parsers on party finder and saying that “it’s ok, just don’t join them”. It is not ok, but not because of the toxicity it will bring if it will bring any, but because it goes against of what YoshiP and the devs are stating. It’s their game and you abide by their rules. If they say no, then it’s no.

Also “send a screenshot of your stone kill time” it will be taken as a form of harassment by SE, but I see your point.

What YoshiP and the devs are stating ? They never stated. They skirted.
The issue is - it's a grey middle ground. There was never any no and never will there be when it comes to parsing.

Parsers will never be illegal, until the moment you harass someone because of their underperformance.
Most, if not all, high end raiders use parsers, that is the fact of raiding in any mmo.
YoshiP and the devs knows this and to directly start banning everyone of the mention of parse without any context would alienate the raiding scene.

A PF parse party is something you have complete control over joining or leaving at any moment. The mere mention of parse shouldn't make you feel threatened by some imagined inherent toxicity, and if it does that's a you problem.

[ACXVIII]

Then the difficulty of savage becomes null. The fight can drag for 15m+ with players who don't know what a combo is. It would inherently encourage bad habits and play. We would have turned savage into ... a normal raid with extra mechanics lol.



What YoshiP and the devs are stating ? They never stated. They skirted.
The issue is - it's a grey middle ground. There was never any no and never will there be when it comes to parsing.

Parsers will never be illegal, until the moment you harass someone because of their underperformance.
Most, if not all, high end raiders use parsers, that is the fact of raiding in any mmo.
YoshiP and the devs knows this and to directly start banning everyone of the mention of parse without any context would alienate the raiding scene.

A PF parse party is something you have complete control over joining or leaving at any moment. The mere mention of parse shouldn't make you feel threatened by some imagined inherent toxicity, and if it does that's a you problem.

Really? You didn’t saw the video? Really? The part when they STATE “We never want that to happen”. They actually use the word “NO”. You can sugar-coat all you want but it is what it is. But hey… you do you. Like Yoshi said “ you do it on your own risk.

If it’s ok to advertise on PF that you are parsing the battle for any reason, explain to me why people are using switch words and don’t actually said it openly “we are parsing”? Because it’s against the rules.

[EtherRose]

Regardless of a parser not modifying any code and the whole "Don't ask don't tell", I think parsing should be a bannable offense. There is no point in needing to run a parser at all. It's literally only a tool to feed your own ego on FFLogs, belittle others and weed out players who aren't performing to said parsers desirable level.