So this started happening.

[Zordrage]

What is this "overburdening the healer" crap are you talking about? Press more than one dps button? Or that other button? You know Cure I/Physik/Benefic. If so, then yes, having DRK in dungeons is definitely overburdening the healer.

its called watching/reading the chat in game.
healers lets just say are not a fan of DRK tanks in this expansion.

I constantly seeing players that are playing healers saying that They not a fan how they need to spam Hardcast their strongest Heals constantly and baby sit DRKs. Allot of the times they save the DRK in the last few seconds.

and as a DRK player im fucking sick sitting on the brink of dead with most of my Defense abilities on CD because i had to use most of my Strongest def CDs on trash mobs just so i dont die in a mater of seconds and hoping that the healer notices that a DRK is not like the other tanks and we have shit all for selfsustain.
as a DRK you have no real way to Answer a situation like that.

Every other tank can come back from bad Situations or autright avoid a bad situation.
A DRK on the other hand is a walking bad situation that is on the brink of death most of the time and is 100% reliant on getting nonstop healing no mater what happens.
Even our Only true Oh shit ability kills us ffs.

As a tank Player this feels like a pile of shit. and i abandoned tanking and playing Reaper til they not fix this.

[ssunny2008]

I would argue that WAR/PLD/GNB do better than DRK when the party DPS is on the low end. This was my experience while leveling PLD and DRK.

With PLD, even if the group DPs was low, I can survive big pulls. With DRK, I wiped twice. Not my fault nor the healer's fault. DPS was low and the job doesn’t have good self heals. So when doing dungeons on DRK, party DPs good? I pull big. Party DPS bad? It's not worth making the healer struggle to keep me alive. The only time I wiped on PLD big pull is when I got a DPS that was literally only using 1 skill in a level 90 dungeon. It was like running a dungeon with 1 tank, 1 healer, and 1 DPS. That one is understandable.

Can´t say really much about it, since i was not with you. But for the case you and the healer have done everything correct, "having bad DPS" is no justify aka "buff tanks or buff DRK".

The adds are always splitted in groups and we even get blocked by dumb walls for whatever reason. To help the poor ppl i guess, when the tank goes yolo. I´m still curious, did they forgot to implement them in Gulg or Quitana?

I have pulled and i´ll always pull as far as possible and at such rare moments where things goes wrong, i normally recognize what happened. Ppl either died to an aoe you couldn´t see because of 20 adds, the healer stood in the adds and spammed sanctus, the healer was unaware, benediction went into nowhere, or i fckd up by myself. Seriously i never have been like "PLD / GNB / WAR / DRK sucks". If anything it would´ve been PLD with the lower amount of defs and circumstances / damage loss on divine veil and clemency. Maybe even GNB since he had a lot tools, but nothing which has been "wow" aka BLN, NF.

Right, but the 81-90 content is quite a bit harder than SHB.
In other words, DRK's toolkit doesn't go as far as it did before Endwalker because it saw almost no improvements yet the content has gotten much more difficult to tank.

It´s not harder. Ppl just don´t sit on max gear already.

And i don´t know which content should be more difficult to tank? Maybe you´ve some examples?
You do the same 2 big pulls as always, the most dungeons are even so hard scripted, that you can´t have more than 3 adds at once. Bosses are the same stuff over and over again. A bit of aoe dance and maybe 1 cheap mechanic with endlass castbars. You don´t even need to heal there as tank since 123 passive reg is more than enough.
Trials can be completely solo-tanked, even EX content. (Maybe not the first in some easy way, but that´s a debuff reason.)

DRKs kit hasn’t grown with the game. It’s defensive kit is generally the same as shb and oblation is nothing more than a poor man’s bandaid for dark mind being crap. Dungeons are a prime example of how devs geared this expansion to only 3 of 4 tanks.

DRK had already the strongest def in the game. PLD and GNB lacked definately behind and WAR has become powerful mid-patch with the nascent flash changes. WAR didn´t need any buffs, but the other 2 got actually up´d on the level of BLN.


Anyway... If you struggle with big pulls, pull less or ask those for advice who don´t struggle? If you struggle on bosses, well... don´t know how it´s actually possible as tank unless you eat 5 aoe´s at once on purpose. (I survived 3 with 2k HP and no def.)

Tanks are broken and bad plays are still no excuse. The toolkits and stats overshine everything in this game and on top healer sit on a bunch of oGCD´s, shields, barriers and instaheals to make sure they can continue with glare / broil spam. Maybe someone might posts some videos how he / she is tanking and show us the gear?!

its called watching/reading the chat in game.
healers lets just say are not a fan of DRK tanks in this expansion.

You mean all the super-glamhunter and payforultimate-players chilling in limsa? Then i know where it comes from....

and as a DRK player im fucking sick sitting on the brink of dead with most of my Defense abilities on CD because i had to use most of my Strongest def CDs on trash mobs just so i dont die in a mater of seconds and hoping that the healer notices that a DRK is not like the other tanks and we have shit all for selfsustain.
as a DRK you have no real way to Answer a situation like that.

Sounds already like "i use all defs at once" just to drop hard 20s later.... how about a def rotation?
Pull, sprint, 2nd pull, BLN and reprisal, Abyssal after you dropped below 50% HP, BLN again and if you´ve a bunch of little adds or reprisal is on cd, go for arm´s length. If you´ve a low DPS party, use 1 big def in the first and 1 big def in the 2nd pull before the boss. Or just use them standardly since they´re not needed at any boss. (Rampart, Shadow Wall)

((On top you could still start to kite, which is a bunch of less damage income on any tank. Done correctly nobody is even losing damage.))

[Zordrage]

It´s not harder. Ppl just don´t sit on max gear already.

And i don´t know which content should be more difficult to tank? Maybe you´ve some examples?
You do the same 2 big pulls as always, the most dungeons are even so hard scripted, that you can´t have more than 3 adds at once. Bosses are the same stuff over and over again. A bit of aoe dance and maybe 1 cheap mechanic with endlass castbars. You don´t even need to heal there as tank since 123 passive reg is more than enough.
Trials can be completely solo-tanked, even EX content. (Maybe not the first in some easy way, but that´s a debuff reason.)

DRK had already the strongest def in the game. PLD and GNB lacked definately behind and WAR has become powerful mid-patch with the nascent flash changes. WAR didn´t need any buffs, but the other 2 got actually up´d on the level of BLN.


Anyway... If you struggle with big pulls, pull less or ask those for advice who don´t struggle? If you struggle on bosses, well... don´t know how it´s actually possible as tank unless you eat 5 aoe´s at once on purpose. (I survived 3 with 2k HP and no def.)

Tanks are broken and bad plays are still no excuse. The toolkits and stats overshine everything in this game and on top healer sit on a bunch of oGCD´s, shields, barriers and instaheals to make sure they can continue with glare / broil spam. Maybe someone might posts some videos how he / she is tanking and show us the gear?!

You mean all the super-glamhunter and payforultimate-players chilling in limsa? Then i know where it comes from....

Sounds already like "i use all defs at once" just to drop hard 20s later.... how about a def rotation?
Pull, sprint, 2nd pull, BLN and reprisal, Abyssal after you dropped below 50% HP, BLN again and if you´ve a bunch of little adds or reprisal is on cd, go for arm´s length. If you´ve a low DPS party, use 1 big def in the first and 1 big def in the 2nd pull before the boss. Or just use them standardly. (Rampart, Shadow Wall)

((On top you could still start to kite, which is a bunch of less damage income on any tank. Done correctly nobody is even losing damage.))

I Wanted to avoid this but your Delusional at this point.
Get off your High horse going in every topic giving "Advices"and telling everyone how the DRK player or the Healers that are bad.

Also you need to stop Talking about BLN like thats the end all be all that ability was outright a meme since the very begining it was the only ability that made DRKs not Trash Tier remove that 1 ability and DRK outright does not exist as a Tank.

All the other tanks Allways had way more going for them they just never were properly tuned, and now ? now all the tanks waaaay surpased BLN and the entire DRK tanking Kit as a whole.

[Undeadfire]

Really don't see what the problem is with Dark Knight, staying alive....

Paladin, had 0 sustain till this Xpac, and remained just fine every new Xpac release. It had 2 mitigation cooldowns, and Clemency isn't sustain, it's a GCD cure that kills it's DPS.

Dark Knight, still has TBN, abuse it, use Arms Length and Reprisal. Literally been doing 1st EX trial with 1-3x stacks and staying alive just fine having aggro.

It's nothing to do with how good the job is, it's how you use the job to operate it, gear carries you, not the job unless it is actually broken.

[Zordrage]

Paladin, had 0 sustain till this Xpac, and remained just fine every new Xpac release. It had 2 mitigation cooldowns, and Clemency isn't sustain, it's a GCD cure that kills it's DPS.

Clemency IS a Sustain and saved me many times and soloed a few bosses with it a few years ago when i was maining Paladin. even saved the healer a few times lol
kills the DPS and who cares are you racing for world 1st? your not a DPS your a tank.

[ssunny2008]

I Wanted to avoid this but your Delusional at this point.
Get off your High horse going in every topic giving "Advices"and telling everyone how the DRK player or the Healers that are bad.

Also you need to stop Talking about BLN like thats the end all be all that ability was outright a meme since the very begining it was the only ability that made DRKs not Trash Tier remove that 1 ability and DRK outright does not exist as a Tank.

All the other tanks Allways had way more going for them they just never were properly tuned, and now ? now all the tanks waaaay surpased BLN and the entire DRK tanking Kit as a whole.

Maybe better take some advice? Here are more than enough ppl claiming the same.

Also... take BW away from Warrior, or HS from GNB or the Block from PLD... Given to your thoughts, they would be trash since all tanks have pretty much the same defs. This last one "unique" def with 60s cd on any tank is balanced through the kit. PLD don´t even have one.

Clemency IS a Sustain and saved me many times and soloed a few bosses with it a few years ago when i was maining Paladin. even saved the healer a few times lol
kills the DPS and who cares are you racing for world 1st? your not a DPS your a tank.

You can safe yourself and healer also with BLN.

Solod the Endboss from Amaurot from 50% and i had to eat every laser. Don´t even know if this would´ve been possibly with another tank since heal comes after damage inc. Probably, but not that easy at this time, and GNB would´ve died i guess.

[Undeadfire]

Clemency IS a Sustain and saved me many times and soloed a few bosses with it a few years ago when i was maining Paladin. even saved the healer a few times lol
kills the DPS and who cares are you racing for world 1st? your not a DPS your a tank.

Clemency disrupts GCD combos, used to ruin Reqs buff, desyncs Paladin rotation which hurts it's DPS A LOT.

Healers are green DPS, Tanks are blue DPS.

This game runs on DPS formulas for every role, and has been since 2.0. Every jobs placement is based on DPS and their utility for it.

[Danelo]

Really don't see what the problem is with Dark Knight, staying alive....

Paladin, had 0 sustain till this Xpac, and remained just fine every new Xpac release. It had 2 mitigation cooldowns, and Clemency isn't sustain, it's a GCD cure that kills it's DPS.

Dark Knight, still has TBN, abuse it, use Arms Length and Reprisal. Literally been doing 1st EX trial with 1-3x stacks and staying alive just fine having aggro.

It's nothing to do with how good the job is, it's how you use the job to operate it, gear carries you, not the job unless it is actually broken.

I don’t honestly believe those of you saying tbn is the great in dungeons don’t understand why it has problems... a shield doesn’t last long when you’re getting smacked around by a w2w number of mobs. I’ve been a tank since HW and am a fairly decent tank; I can easily see the gap between a shield and a damage reduction/hot/shield cd in a dungeon.

[Naizakane]

You're telling me there's a 16-page thread screaming about tank healing being too high, but people are abandoning dungeons when they have to heal the tank that doesn't have as much healing? I love this.

[Mimilu]

You're telling me there's a 16-page thread screaming about tank healing being too high, but people are abandoning dungeons when they have to heal the tank that doesn't have as much healing? I love this.

I think it just highlights how split the XIV community is on what they want from and for tanks and healers.
Not to mention the split between what the fractured community wants vs the dev's vision for said roles. :B