Please let me skip MSQ

[Rezef]

Buy the story skip. But you will have to do EW MSQ like it or not. SE gives you the option to bypass older expansions and EW with skipping every single thing should take a maximum of 12-15 hours so there you go. Pay 22€ and stop crying over sth that already has a solution. One thing though if you do that with a job you're unfamiliar...well dungeons or w/e you wanna do won't go as smoothly as you believe GL.

[ArkenaeuxBelmont]

You won't be prepared for endgame content by doing the MSQ either.

If you don't have the time to at least cutscene skip the current expansion MSQ, though, you likely don't have the time to do endgame either.

Some people just want to smack the hard stuff. That's perfectly fine-- it's their choice. I'd rather people skip to the end, raid to their heart's content (once they learn how to endgame), then potentially double back to experience the story and other content than not play at all.

I do not think skipping to the end of the current expansion makes sense at all, though. It's very much a "at least try the story" thing for me, but I'm not going to show anyone the door if they try it and don't like it.

While I can see where you're coming from, I'd like to respectfully disagree on your point that MSQ won't prepare you for 'endgame'.

Yes, it won't make you play at the super-top level. You probably wouldn't know your optimal rotation down to the exact places to weave oGCD's and such, but that being said...

Like the other poster said, put yourself into the shoes of someone who has never played 14 before. You skip everything with this theoretical "instant 90 instant MSQ skip".

You have no idea what a stack marker is.
You have no idea what a Flare marker is.
No idea what the rotational attack queues are.
No idea anything about your chosen job at all, not even the *basics* of the rotation.
No idea tank stance is a thing.
No idea how to tank swap if needed.
No clue about Active Time Events.
No clue on a slew of mechanics that slowly get introduced one at a time via the MSQ, to see their more advanced ones later.
No clue about Esuna'ing debuffs.
No clue about stuns.
No clue about spell interupts.
And the list goes on...

Sure all these things may seem like "Well duh, we all know these things" but a skipper wouldn't. Someone coming in completely fresh would have absolutely no clue about any of these. Some people learn fast, of course. There's always exceptions that can pick things up instantly... but those are the exception, not the norm.

We have ALL been there, running a Duty Finder, with a teammate that is an obvious skipper. Most are receptive to help when offered, but as people have stated before in this thread, you get a large number of people who bash their heads against the game trying to make it conform to what they know, instead of what the game is.

We have level skips and MSQ skips up to the beginning of the current xpac, to give a reasonable buffer in between "endgame" and the starting point of the skip, for this reason. It's to at least offer the skipper the opportunity, in lower level content, to learn.

[Bobby66]

You must be playing VERY little because you unlock group content in the game very quickly. Additionally with lvl sync any player can do group content with you provided they have it unlocked. If your friends are refusing to do that content with you that's on them, not the game. The game provides the tools for them to play with you. The game does not prevent your friends from playing with you.

You came to a story driven game so...you have to play through the story. You can buy a skip but it only works up to the beginning of the current expansion so whether you buy a skip or not you have story to do. You just get to choose whether to do more or less story.

All mainline series FF games are story driven and FFXIV is part of the mainline series. You can't entirely skip the story content in any of them.



This has genuinely made me doubt the seriousness of your post. Being annoyed? Yea I can believe that.

Unless your friends refusing to play with you made you cry. That I could believe. But crying over needing to play through a story...nope.

Meh I have friends that have cried over less so I can believe it. Some are just overly emotional / could be a fueled by FOMO if they are doing x thing while their friends do y. Not so much that they refuse to play with them per-se, but the reality is the story for the most part is a solo experience with multiplayer aspects trickled in.

While I can see where you're coming from, I'd like to respectfully disagree on your point that MSQ won't prepare you for 'endgame'.

Yes, it won't make you play at the super-top level. You probably wouldn't know your optimal rotation down to the exact places to weave oGCD's and such, but that being said...

Like the other poster said, put yourself into the shoes of someone who has never played 14 before. You skip everything with this theoretical "instant 90 instant MSQ skip".

You have no idea what a stack marker is.
You have no idea what a Flare marker is.
No idea what the rotational attack queues are.
No idea anything about your chosen job at all, not even the *basics* of the rotation.
No idea tank stance is a thing.
No idea how to tank swap if needed.
No clue about Active Time Events.
No clue on a slew of mechanics that slowly get introduced one at a time via the MSQ, to see their more advanced ones later.
No clue about Esuna'ing debuffs.
No clue about stuns.
No clue about spell interupts.
And the list goes on...

Sure all these things may seem like "Well duh, we all know these things" but a skipper wouldn't. Someone coming in completely fresh would have absolutely no clue about any of these. Some people learn fast, of course. There's always exceptions that can pick things up instantly... but those are the exception, not the norm.

We have ALL been there, running a Duty Finder, with a teammate that is an obvious skipper. Most are receptive to help when offered, but as people have stated before in this thread, you get a large number of people who bash their heads against the game trying to make it conform to what they know, instead of what the game is.

We have level skips and MSQ skips up to the beginning of the current xpac, to give a reasonable buffer in between "endgame" and the starting point of the skip, for this reason. It's to at least offer the skipper the opportunity, in lower level content, to learn.

Everything you mentioned could be learned after the fact. If someone wants to learn they will take the time to learn if not they will not. MSQ being forced on them does not change any of this.

[ArkenaeuxBelmont]

Meh I have friends that have cried over less so I can believe it. Some are just overly emotional / could be a fueled by FOMO if they are doing x thing while their friends do y. Not so much that they refuse to play with them per-se, but the reality is the story for the most part is a solo experience with multiplayer aspects trickled in.



Everything you mentioned could be learned after the fact. If someone wants to learn they will take the time to learn if not they will not. MSQ being forced on them does not change any of this.

It's not about the MSQ being forced on them. My entire point was that the current "skip" system allows a small buffer of levels, in the form of the current expansion content, to give them the opportunity to learn.

I stated that some people would learn fast. Most probably wouldn't. At the very least, this buffer at least ensures they aren't being instantly thrown into current endgame dungeons, trials and expert roulette. If by the time they get there and still don't learn, that's on them. But the buffer existing gives the players who want to learn, an opportunity to, outside of the level capped environment of a job.

[Endariel]

You won't be prepared for endgame content by doing the MSQ either.

If you don't have the time to at least cutscene skip the current expansion MSQ, though, you likely don't have the time to do endgame either.

Some people just want to smack the hard stuff. That's perfectly fine-- it's their choice. I'd rather people skip to the end, raid to their heart's content (once they learn how to endgame), then potentially double back to experience the story and other content than not play at all.

I do not think skipping to the end of the current expansion makes sense at all, though. It's very much a "at least try the story" thing for me, but I'm not going to show anyone the door if they try it and don't like it.

Msq prepares you very much for endgame.
A lot of mechanics used in story mode are then reused for extreme/savage without indicators

[iheartlove42]

Doing the story teaches you the mechanics of the game. If you buy a skip you will be doing a disservice to yourself and cause a lotta headaches. It's not like WoW where everything but raids are tank and spanks. On top of that you'll feel more invested in end game stuff if you played through the story. Also FF14's raids and endgame dungeons are not the main draw of this game though they are very fun. Most dungeons post HW are not as simple as in ARR.

[Reinha]

Some games don't let you fight the end boss before doing other stuff first. This is one of those games.

[Jojoya]

All my friends play this game and they are already done with MSQ. I have barely started because I don't have a lot of time especially with the long queues. I don't care about the story I just want to have a good time with my friends doing dungeons. But I haven't been able to do that because everything new is locked.
The game is actively preventing me from playing with my friends. I have cried over this.
I want to have a good time when I get home from work and not be stuck running from point A to B for days completely alone because I have to earn the ability to not be alone in a multi-player game.

At this point I regret asking my friends to play this game with me because I isolated myself because I can't keep up anymore.

Please just let me play with my friends.

Why aren't your friends helping you get through MSQ faster? MSQ goes extremely fast when you skip cutscenes, don't read dialog - and get your friends to run you through the required dungeons and trials unsynced. Even unsynced they're going to earn Poetics for helping you with your first time through the dungeons.

If you asked them to come play the game with you, how did they get ahead of you so far? Sounds like they're less friends and more just people you know if they aren't already playing with you.

[Larirawiel]

when you skip cutscenes, don't read dialog

If you skip the cutscenes then this will happen:
https://youtu.be/8cMkQRBknto?t=80




Cheers

[van_arn]

While I can see where you're coming from, I'd like to respectfully disagree on your point that MSQ won't prepare you for 'endgame'.

Yes, it won't make you play at the super-top level. You probably wouldn't know your optimal rotation down to the exact places to weave oGCD's and such, but that being said...

Like the other poster said, put yourself into the shoes of someone who has never played 14 before. You skip everything with this theoretical "instant 90 instant MSQ skip".

You have no idea what a stack marker is.
You have no idea what a Flare marker is.
No idea what the rotational attack queues are.
No idea anything about your chosen job at all, not even the *basics* of the rotation.
No idea tank stance is a thing.
No idea how to tank swap if needed.
No clue about Active Time Events.
No clue on a slew of mechanics that slowly get introduced one at a time via the MSQ, to see their more advanced ones later.
No clue about Esuna'ing debuffs.
No clue about stuns.
No clue about spell interupts.
And the list goes on...

Sure all these things may seem like "Well duh, we all know these things" but a skipper wouldn't. Someone coming in completely fresh would have absolutely no clue about any of these. Some people learn fast, of course. There's always exceptions that can pick things up instantly... but those are the exception, not the norm.

We have ALL been there, running a Duty Finder, with a teammate that is an obvious skipper. Most are receptive to help when offered, but as people have stated before in this thread, you get a large number of people who bash their heads against the game trying to make it conform to what they know, instead of what the game is.

We have level skips and MSQ skips up to the beginning of the current xpac, to give a reasonable buffer in between "endgame" and the starting point of the skip, for this reason. It's to at least offer the skipper the opportunity, in lower level content, to learn.

Anyone skipping needs to do their homework. I see plenty of people past the MSQ that still somehow don't know what a stack marker is, though, so the MSQ never taught them. Heck, I just went through the last dungeon of Endwalker with a healer (and their dps buddy) that stood in every mechanic. You can't tell if someone's a skipper by how they play; you merely know they're clueless.

That said, you seem to have missed where I said I don't think skipping to the end of the current expansion is a good idea for implementation. I do think a buffer needs to exist, but several hundred hours is far too much of a buffer to make a requirement for everyone. If players are willing to do their homework, then they're welcome to skip to the current expansion.

That does not, however, mean they are obligated to pay attention to the story. They are welcome to skip that too and focus exclusively on content. Not everyone likes what we do, and that's fine.