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    Time travel is a recurring motif in the Final Fantasy series, which focuses on carrying people through time and possibly allowing them to change their fate.
    In the Shadowbringer, G’raha is able to stop 8th calamity by sending himself and the Crystal Tower to the First; therefore resulting him able to avoid the paradox (There was no Crystal Tower on the First).
    G’raha’s involvement has created three ripple effect that avert the catastrophe.
    The absence of the Scions from the Source because of his summon resulting a standstill between Erozea and the empire and delaying the Black Rose depolyment.
    Tataru Taru was forced to call up Estinien resulting him into meeting Gauis to join forces in sabotaging Black Rose facilities and further delaying the deployment.
    As WoL got pulled to the First and prevent the Rejoining of the First, this also further weapon Black Rose’s effect.
    Entire timeline has been altered, therefore 8th calamity has been avoided

    Our travel to Eplis however is different because we did not alter anything and we are basically replaced original seat of Azem’s involvement in the creation of Hydaelyn and Zodiark.
    Since the beginning there are 6 players involved in Ktisis: Meteion, Emet-Selch, Azem, Hermes, Hythlodaeus, and Venat and only Azem and Venat walk out of Ktisis with their memory intact.
    This is further support by why Azem defected the Convocation and also refused to join Venat’s Hydaelyn summoning.
    WoL is merely replaced Azem in entire event.
    If WoL didn't show up, Azem will show up on Eplis either way. (even WoL got killed at 8th Calamity)
    There is no paradox and nothing was altered.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Divinemights View Post
    Time travel is a recurring motif in the Final Fantasy series, which focuses on carrying people through time and possibly allowing them to change their fate.
    In the Shadowbringer, G’raha is able to stop 8th calamity by sending himself and the Crystal Tower to the First; therefore resulting him able to avoid the paradox (There was no Crystal Tower on the First).
    G’raha’s involvement has created three ripple effect that avert the catastrophe.
    The absence of the Scions from the Source because of his summon resulting a standstill between Erozea and the empire and delaying the Black Rose depolyment.
    Tataru Taru was forced to call up Estinien resulting him into meeting Gauis to join forces in sabotaging Black Rose facilities and further delaying the deployment.
    As WoL got pulled to the First and prevent the Rejoining of the First, this also further weapon Black Rose’s effect.
    Entire timeline has been altered, therefore 8th calamity has been avoided

    Our travel to Eplis however is different because we did not alter anything and we are basically replaced original seat of Azem’s involvement in the creation of Hydaelyn and Zodiark.
    Since the beginning there are 6 players involved in Ktisis: Meteion, Emet-Selch, Azem, Hermes, Hythlodaeus, and Venat and only Azem and Venat walk out of Ktisis with their memory intact.
    This is further support by why Azem defected the Convocation and also refused to join Venat’s Hydaelyn summoning.
    WoL is merely replaced Azem in entire event.
    If WoL didn't show up, Azem will show up on Eplis either way. (even WoL got killed at 8th Calamity)
    There is no paradox and nothing was altered.
    And every time, said motif is terrible. Also, Graha'Tia did not time travel. Passage of time flowing differently =/= time travel.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Velnora View Post
    And every time, said motif is terrible. Also, Graha'Tia did not time travel. Passage of time flowing differently =/= time travel.
    It is time treaveling.
    He specifically used Cid's Tyacoon, an artificial recreation of Alexander that combines its time-manipulation abilities with Omega's dimension-hopping capabilities.
    By the definition of both space and time got altered, yes he time traveled but end up on First that is all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Divinemights View Post
    It is time treaveling.
    He specifically used Cid's Tyacoon, an artificial recreation of Alexander that combines its time-manipulation abilities with Omega's dimension-hopping capabilities.
    By the definition of both space and time got altered, yes he time traveled but end up on First that is all.
    That isn't the definition of time travel. Yes, this is where it gets nonsensical.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Velnora View Post
    That isn't the definition of time travel. Yes, this is where it gets nonsensical.
    Time travel is the concept of movement between certain points in time, analogous to movement between different points in space by an object or a person, typically with the use of a hypothetical device known as a time machine.
    Which part is nonsensical?
    You need to support your argument instead of blanket denial.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Divinemights View Post
    Time travel is the concept of movement between certain points in time, analogous to movement between different points in space by an object or a person, typically with the use of a hypothetical device known as a time machine.
    Which part is nonsensical?
    You need to support your argument instead of blanket denial.
    Because he did not move between different points in time. They explicitly stated that time moved slower on the first. He ported himself and the tower, using the tower as a power source onto the first.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Velnora View Post
    Because he did not move between different points in time. They explicitly stated that time moved slower on the first.
    There was no Crystal Tower on First and we met him on Origin and put him to sleep ourself.
    He wakes up 200 years later after 8th Calamity took WoL's life and wiped Scions.
    How is this not a time traveling by definition?
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