World first races in FFXIV

[Risvertasashi]

Yea that's how the world works. "if you don't like X then don't talk about X in a thread about X"

While there are some things in the world that can't be ignored and won't go away if you try...

This is a bit like complaining that there's a show you don't like on netflix. Believe it or not, not all of them were made to cater to you, and yes, you can ignore the ones you don't like.

[Exosapien]

Yea that's how the world works. "if you don't like X then don't talk about X in a thread about X"

Yeah that's literally how threads work. What?

[SeiyaSoiya]

Well actually, since TEA (and because of) we can no longer modify markers in combat, so only thing left are parsers.

And yes, Yoshi congratulated teams that performed WF on ultimates, which surprise surprise, used parsers.

I don't get it, if it is known that they used parsers and their character names are known, then why are they not banned? It says it clearly in the Terms of Service, the EULA and the code of conduct that any usage of third party tools is strictly forbidden and will result in a suspension.

[Xaruko_Nexume]

With the upcoming release of the savage wing and as someone who just returned to the game after a long break, I was curious and watched some previous ffxiv world first VODs.
What I found was disgusting, people are streaming world firsts using cheats and programs that are against the ToS, in particular let's say "calculators" were used and programs used to modify ground markers at inhuman speeds.
Then I watched other raider streams and people openly stream themselves using these calculators as if it's nothing.
So my questions are, are cheated world firsts endorsed by square enix, and are cheated world firsts endorsed by the ffxiv community?

Not only are they not endorsed, but Yoshi P said in a recent media tour interview, that they can not support or endorse any world first races unless they took a hard stance on third party software that modifies or reads the games code.

[Endariel]

I don't get it, if it is known that they used parsers and their character names are known, then why are they not banned? It says it clearly in the Terms of Service, the EULA and the code of conduct that any usage of third party tools is strictly forbidden and will result in a suspension.

by your logic you using discord to communicate or youtube / internet to watch guides should be banned as well. It is 3rd party tools after all.

See how suddenly vague it becomes? Henceforth, if it does not mess directly if game files / modify packets sent to the server, it's ok

[Risvertasashi]

I don't get it, if it is known that they used parsers and their character names are known, then why are they not banned? It says it clearly in the Terms of Service, the EULA and the code of conduct that any usage of third party tools is strictly forbidden and will result in a suspension.

For a start, this would make assassinations very easy - it's already happened on the community level. Post a screenshot or video of someone with windows that looks like a cheat (like a hardcore hack, not just a parser) and you can get someone kicked from their static, banned from the larger FF14 discords, etc etc. Do you really want SE piling on a formal punishment on top of that?

But more to the heart of your issue.

SE's policy is "Don't ask, don't tell." If SE actually took a hardline stance in line with what's written de jure, they'd do serious and irreparable harm to their playerbase. So they go "guys, knock it off" and issue a few suspensions every time it gets a bit too far out of hand or becomes too visible in game, but otherwise turn a blind eye to it.

[Xaruko_Nexume]

I know it's been around since ARR but i just don't want the culture that surrounds WF to come here. Like eSports i can't stand it because when that stuff becomes the focus everything else is secondary.

maybe i'm just bitter.

The culture and community that surrounds and thrives world first activities are toxic to a detrimental level. The game is made worse by it. You might be bitter, but you are also not wrong to feel the way you do. There are MMORPG's out there where toxic competition is praised and endorsed.

So while it may be possible to "ignore" the race itself and the e-sports trash that comes with it, ignoring the effects it has on the game, the genre, and community is not possible.

[KageTokage]

I enjoy watching the usual raid teams progging while I try to struggle through in party finder and glean insight from their strats.

[Skyclaw726]

The culture and community that surrounds and thrives world first activities are toxic to a detrimental level. The game is made worse by it. You might be bitter, but you are also not wrong to feel the way you do. There are MMORPG's out there where toxic competition is praised and endorsed.

So while it may be possible to "ignore" the race itself and the e-sports trash that comes with it, ignoring the effects it has on the game, the genre, and community is not possible.

Exactly this. Thank you for the better wording.

[Adeacia]

I don't care about first races. I want to see world last races. Whoever is the last group in the world to finish it wins.

This is also part of the problem with those that say there is nothing to do. They take time off of work and rush the content asap the complain they ran out of content.

About 3rd party tools, none of them should be used in raiding. No not even discord. They want the difficulty, they should stop trying to make it easy with said tools.