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    Quote Originally Posted by Menriq View Post
    I'm not sure what you mean. World first has been around since ARR, when SE even congratulated Blue Gartr for their WF T5 kill.
    I know it's been around since ARR but i just don't want the culture that surrounds WF to come here. Like eSports i can't stand it because when that stuff becomes the focus everything else is secondary.

    maybe i'm just bitter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Skyclaw726 View Post
    I know it's been around since ARR but i just don't want the culture that surrounds WF to come here. Like eSports i can't stand it because when that stuff becomes the focus everything else is secondary.

    maybe i'm just bitter.
    Yes you are just bitter!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Skyclaw726 View Post
    I know it's been around since ARR but i just don't want the culture that surrounds WF to come here. Like eSports i can't stand it because when that stuff becomes the focus everything else is secondary.

    maybe i'm just bitter.
    The culture and community that surrounds and thrives world first activities are toxic to a detrimental level. The game is made worse by it. You might be bitter, but you are also not wrong to feel the way you do. There are MMORPG's out there where toxic competition is praised and endorsed.

    So while it may be possible to "ignore" the race itself and the e-sports trash that comes with it, ignoring the effects it has on the game, the genre, and community is not possible.
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    Last edited by Xaruko_Nexume; 12-23-2021 at 12:35 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xaruko_Nexume View Post
    The culture and community that surrounds and thrives world first activities are toxic to a detrimental level. The game is made worse by it. You might be bitter, but you are also not wrong to feel the way you do. There are MMORPG's out there where toxic competition is praised and endorsed.

    So while it may be possible to "ignore" the race itself and the e-sports trash that comes with it, ignoring the effects it has on the game, the genre, and community is not possible.
    Exactly this. Thank you for the better wording.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xaruko_Nexume View Post
    The culture and community that surrounds and thrives world first activities are toxic to a detrimental level. The game is made worse by it. You might be bitter, but you are also not wrong to feel the way you do. There are MMORPG's out there where toxic competition is praised and endorsed.

    So while it may be possible to "ignore" the race itself and the e-sports trash that comes with it, ignoring the effects it has on the game, the genre, and community is not possible.
    Realistically it's going to be difficult to prove any detrimental effect world first races have on ff14's community in its entirety so this is little more than just wildly assuming things. The game is as casual friendly as ever and the community is largely casual aswell.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Saraide View Post
    Realistically it's going to be difficult to prove any detrimental effect world first races have on ff14's community in its entirety so this is little more than just wildly assuming things. The game is as casual friendly as ever and the community is largely casual aswell.
    For me it's my experience with another MMO that went from enjoyable to unplayable around the time they started to focus on world first races and eSports.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Skyclaw726 View Post
    For me it's my experience with another MMO that went from enjoyable to unplayable around the time they started to focus on world first races and eSports.
    And what is your experience in this game? Clearly you have been around here for a long time if your join date is Nov 2013.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Saraide View Post
    And what is your experience in this game? Clearly you have been around here for a long time if your join date is Nov 2013.
    Pretty good, only experienced some toxicity since ARR's closed beta.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Saraide View Post
    Realistically it's going to be difficult to prove any detrimental effect world first races have on ff14's community in its entirety so this is little more than just wildly assuming things. The game is as casual friendly as ever and the community is largely casual aswell.
    and Id like to see it stay that way or go even more so in that directions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xaruko_Nexume View Post
    The culture and community that surrounds and thrives world first activities are toxic to a detrimental level. The game is made worse by it. You might be bitter, but you are also not wrong to feel the way you do. There are MMORPG's out there where toxic competition is praised and endorsed.

    So while it may be possible to "ignore" the race itself and the e-sports trash that comes with it, ignoring the effects it has on the game, the genre, and community is not possible.
    Yes, calling something "toxic" and "trash" just on the basis of differing interests and definition of "enjoyment" is definitely a much better culture to promote.
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