World first races in FFXIV

[Xaruko_Nexume]

Realistically it's going to be difficult to prove any detrimental effect world first races have on ff14's community in its entirety so this is little more than just wildly assuming things. The game is as casual friendly as ever and the community is largely casual aswell.

and Id like to see it stay that way or go even more so in that directions.

[Saraide]

Well it is illegal to use parsers and cactbot that all or most savage/ultimate people do, there is no grey area if you actually read the ToS.

It is a grey area if you try to understand the intent behind said ToS. If you actually read the ToS and take them word for word using discord should get you a ban aswell. Try to understand the spirit of the law, not the word of the law.

[Xaruko_Nexume]

Well it is illegal to use parsers and cactbot that all or most savage/ultimate people do, there is no grey area if you actually read the ToS.

Its only a grey area because SE, in my 30+ years of gaming, is the first company that openly allows their own rules to be broken when they see fit. Only after enough fuss is raised about the third party software will they ever actually take action.

[EaMett]

Well it is illegal to use parsers and cactbot that all or most savage/ultimate people do, there is no grey area if you actually read the ToS.

The grey area is in the enforcement. By the ToS, Discord is also a third-party tool and not ok to use. Grabbing your logs and entering data into a spreadsheet could also be considered a third-party tool. There are a lot of grey areas and things that don't need enforcing. In fact, they've said multiple times that they don't want to enter an enforcement war with players because it takes away from the development and is never-ending. Unless you use said tools to attack other players, they usually won't bother. They of course worded the ToS to give them free rein over any decision they make. That doesn't mean they need to use it.

And that's without even looking into the reality of the situation. Which is that some of the higher-end content requires you to execute your job really well (especially at minilvl). The game doesn't give you tools to know which materias you should meld, or even to some extent, which rotation you should use etc. These in turn come from deductions made by other players using third-party tools to extract the information. In the same way, in order for you to progress your own playstyle and improve to that level, you need to gauge your current execution and any subsequent performances. To do that you need tools that the game doesn't provide. Enter third-party tools.
This is a big reason why, despite never agreeing to an in-game parser, SE has turned a blind eye to those who use these tools for personal growth. So long as it doesn't become a tool to harass other players.

From a world-first perspective, these tools don't work on launch for the most part so it's a non-issue. And it's really up to the world first players to decide if it's harming their experience or not. For everyone else it's very much a case of "mind your own business" since you really shouldn't care that John and Jane are using cactbot in their raids. You're free to make your own group with a no third-party rule.

[Skyclaw726]

And what is your experience in this game? Clearly you have been around here for a long time if your join date is Nov 2013.

Pretty good, only experienced some toxicity since ARR's closed beta.

[LittleImp]

Putting aside the whole third-party discussion that's been beaten to death already. My question is: third party plugins are up for world first kills? I've checked a few videos and didn't see anything. What vids are you watching? Third-party add-ons often drop at patch launches so players tend to ignore them. At most I would expect some of them to be available towards the end portion of the race?

Ravahn has been able to update his plugin at a faster and faster rate over the years (barring when he goes on vacation lmao), it usually takes anywhere from 6-18 hours for an update to come out depending on what's going on IRL for the people that maintain it.

WF racers lean more into things like datamining to try to get an edge, generally. They're the caliber of players that have little to no need for things like ACT/cactbot triggers.

[KDSilver]

Can we not bring the world first crap to this game.

Like it or not, it exists and it will.
Your experience =/= every FFXIV players.

Thank you.

[SieyaM]

As long as that all stays with the WF people and raiders that's fine but it does on occasion bleed into other content that it is absolutely not necessary for. You get someone in your duty roulette that gets all bent out of shape because you're not pushing the same amount of DPS as the top parser in a savage raid and it turns into a terrible experience for all. These instance are incredibly rare so it's not a real concern but the more attention that is paid or the more lauded WF and raiders get in game the worse it will become.

[Caurcas]

World first gets eyes on the game. SE likes having eyes on their game. Simple as.