Endwalker White Mage has Issues

[Hysterior]

Firstly, white mage's mp economy and recovery potential. Frankly whm has awful mp economy and post death recover at the moment. As far as I can tell it is currently the weakest of all the healers in these categories and especially when compared next to its pure healer counterpart astrologian who, when played well has functionally infinite mp. The combination of the nerf to thin air, loosing lilies on death and high mana costs really hamper whm's ability to function well in any situation where high pressure is put on their mp supply. I think the solution to this is very simple, lower the white mage's mana costs to be in line with astro, buff its base mp regen and maybe make thin air apply to the next two spells instead of one or something similar. I think this would go a long way to easing whm's mp problem.

I don't agree with everything, especially on MP economy.

While Thin air is definitely not ideal for DPS anymore, WHM is now the premium raise healer: Swiftcast + Thin air + Raise is just unbeatable. No other healer can raise at no cost.
And unless your party really messes up, you probably will always have a thin air with your Raise. It's really good.

With Thin air on raise + Lucid, assize, asylum on cooldown and only healing with Afflatus skills, you should not run out of MP, even if you spend your time nuking.

And for post death recovery, Benediction is still completely OP and I have not seen a single time in any of the 2 new Extreme primals where I would need to use benediction on a tank.

[Mansion]

I don't agree with everything, especially on MP economy.

While Thin air is definitely not ideal for DPS anymore, WHM is now the premium raise healer: Swiftcast + Thin air + Raise is just unbeatable. No other healer can raise at no cost.
And unless your party really messes up, you probably will always have a thin air with your Raise. It's really good.

Old thin air could do just that too... that's not the issue here. Making it the next spell only nerfs it by a lot compared to a duration of free casting (it was 5-6 GCDs before I believe?)
In any case, old thin air worked just great when you used it regularly, and has a great synergy with Lucid Dreaming.

And for post death recovery, Benediction is still completely OP and I have not seen a single time in any of the 2 new Extreme primals where I would need to use benediction on a tank.

You didn't get OP's point. They meant if you die, you get raised, and Lucid / thin air are on cooldown, you get terrible MP regeneration (only your piety score actually, and Assize perhaps).
AST keeps their seals, which means they don't interrupt their astrodyne flow which has great MP regen. They draw more often that WHM Assize too.
SAG keeps generating Addersgall when they die, which means they usually have some stacks pooled when they raise, which offers quick MP regen per use, and do great healing or mitigation that is not hindered by death debuff.
Arguably, SCH also has a hard time in the similar context, but their 1min button (aetherflow) gives them 20% of their mana, which is better than Assize. And they can use these to heal too, with no mana cost (while WHM has lost their lilies with their death), sure Benediction is strong but that's not the point here.

Death excluded, if you pop Lucid Dreaming on CD there is no real MP problem with WHM, and Thin Air here and there to better benefit MP regen ticks works fine, but WHM have a harder time if they forget Lucid Dreaming compared to the other 3.

[Silver-Strider]

I don't agree with everything, especially on MP economy.

While Thin air is definitely not ideal for DPS anymore, WHM is now the premium raise healer: Swiftcast + Thin air + Raise is just unbeatable. No other healer can raise at no cost.
And unless your party really messes up, you probably will always have a thin air with your Raise. It's really good.

With Thin air on raise + Lucid, assize, asylum on cooldown and only healing with Afflatus skills, you should not run out of MP, even if you spend your time nuking.

And for post death recovery, Benediction is still completely OP and I have not seen a single time in any of the 2 new Extreme primals where I would need to use benediction on a tank.

WHM was the premium raise healer before the nerf so that's not new and now we have to double weave and clip our GCD even worse than in ShB. It's no better than old Thin Air because the amount of MP you saved with the old system would essentially even out with 2 free rezzes anyway.

Also, if you believe for 1 second you won't run out of MP, you've clearly never had cohealers during Ex2 that just don't heal the tanks when the adds are murdering them and Afflatus Spells are not going to cover that. Benediction is 1 spell on a 3 minute CD. How does that help you recover after a death? FFS, I've used Bene to save tanks during add phase in Ex2 because of useless Cohealers. Post Death recovery is awful on WHM.

[VodkaSauce]

Also, if you believe for 1 second you won't run out of MP, you've clearly never had cohealers during Ex2 that just don't heal the tanks when the adds are murdering them and Afflatus Spells are not going to cover that. Benediction is 1 spell on a 3 minute CD. How does that help you recover after a death? FFS, I've used Bene to save tanks during add phase in Ex2 because of useless Cohealers. Post Death recovery is awful on WHM.

Actually, I do believe it because I have had those types of cohealers. I've also had no cohealer. I've solo healed both EXes on WHM. I don't run out of MP. I won't run out of MP. I don't even have piety melds. I do agree that WHM needs a few of it's skills adjusted after Endwalker changes, but saying WHM has MP issues is simply not true. It's a player skill issue that takes a bit of know-how, experimenting, and practice to remedy.

[Liam_Harper]

What troubles me most is that a lot of WHM's popularity is because SCH and AST are stuck with gimmicks and players just don't find them fun, so WHM or Sage is their only option. Not because WHM is good. However, SE will likely direct all their attention to SCH and AST to try and increase their popularity and as we've seen in the past, they do this by buffing the class until players start picking it up again, rather than needed reworks. They'll assume WHM is doing great because it's "popular". So AST will become even more OP and WHM will remain untouched.

I don't agree with everything, especially on MP economy.

WHM is the premium Raise healer in chaotic runs and the messiest progs, where you actually need to be using Thin Air + Raise on cooldown. Otherwise it's the worst. Who cares if you can Raise a few times for free when AST can pay the full cost and still never run out of mana? You also have to double weave to Swift+Thin air, or delay a GCD, which is clunkiness the other healers don't have.

As soon as your group is semi competent Thin Air becomes rubbish. 4% mana on a 1 minute cooldown. No other healers have mana regeneration tools that get worse the better you play.

Benediction is not OP, it's overkill. Essential Dignity is superior due to its far shorter cooldown and double charges. Bene just fills niches like Living Dead.

[Solaires]

Nope that still goes to a DPS not WHM.Also it's actually better not to be consistently raising even though it happens.