Endwalker White Mage has Issues

[AceofRains]

naming sake, apparently there never was holy 2 in the game or more pronounce holyra so they did it just for the name in the franchise.

I dunno. It seems sus like they intend to give Holy II to something else. There really isn’t a reason to to skip the tier otherwise.

[Xaen]

I honestly think WHM is in a good place right now and compared to Stormblood WHM which we will never go back to, also Aquaveil additional mitigation gained this expansion, Lillybell not to everyone's taste but literally drop it down on the right time with some Aoe + other mechanics going on and it heals all of it whilst you move on to casting glare.

I do agree with one thing though and that's the cooldown change 3 min is a bit too long, although we have patch 6.05 coming up which usually brings class changes along with it.

[Ryme]

I honestly think WHM is in a good place right now and compared to Stormblood WHM which we will never go back to, also Aquaveil additional mitigation gained this expansion, Lillybell not to everyone's taste but literally drop it down on the right time with some Aoe + other mechanics going on and it heals all of it whilst you move on to casting glare.

I do agree with one thing though and that's the cooldown change 3 min is a bit too long, although we have patch 6.05 coming up which usually brings class changes along with it.

I actually agree with you in part. Like I alluded to in my original post, I think whm is "good enough," where we disagree is that I don't think "good enough" is good enough, not when it's so easy to achieve "as good as it currently can be."

Though I wasn't around for Stormblood whm, whm being better than it was then is kind of damning with faith praise from what I understand, making it not really a worthwhile bench mark to see if it is good or not in my opinion.

Reducing the cooldown of Lillybell would absolutely help, but I still feel this is the wrong way to go about it as that starts to push it towards an ability you time and drop 15 sec before you need a big aoe heal which is honestly still fairly niche and adds complexity to whm that seems to run counter to it's design philosophy of being the straightforward pick up and play healer.

[Donoman]

White mage needs to be looked at at lower levels. It is currently a nerfed AST in every way except personal dps which barely matters at low levels anyway. There'd probably be less freecure spammers if cure 2 didn't absolutely gape your MP bar at those levels. AST gets mana back from Draw and then Astrodyne at level 50 not to mention already having lower costs. Wtf is the point of White Mage being so gimped at a low level?

[KDSilver]

Holy III is really sad honestly.

Holy finally gets an upgrade and it's "only" 10 more potency. The animation is cool though.
I think it should get the Gravity treatment. At this point, every healer have a 1,5s cast time or instant cast aoe.

Also, I'd like to see an additionnal effect to it.(every healer actually)
I find it sad that the animation is a lily exploding but its usage isn't synergizing with its kit.

It deserves better treatment.

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Thin Air needs to be changed back to its old form.
Whether that, or keep the charge system and the 60s CD, but let it work on the next 3/4 spells.

It'll feel better.
Not every situation is about having a "Rez skill ready".
Besides, it's amusing because if you want to switcast/thin air a raise, you can't do it in between Glare III and you gotta do it in a 2 weaving space window (regen, lily spell).

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Aquaveil is nice, but i'd add 2s to it (8s -> 10s). It's not that much an issue, but since WHM doesn't have as much oGCD as the other healer, I think it's important for the one he gets to be strong.

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Is Benediction still worth a 3min CD ? Honestly, I think not. Considering what we get each expansion, our healing kit keep getting better. And this 3min cooldown is arbitrary long nowadays.
I'd keep it at 2min though. It's still strong, especially for living dead.

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Afflatus Misery needs to be adjusted.
Making it DPS neutral (1240 pot - not counting using it under buff window and stuff) would probably make it be too strong, especially if you can charge it in downtime.
But, considering Glare III is 10 potency higher now... At least make it be 940 pot (or just a flat 1000)

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Assize really needs a second charge
Charges showed us how comfy it is to be able to sit on one charge (any reason). It could make assize being used for healing purposes and not being afraid of loosing one usage if we want to hold it 5 more seconds for a raidwide aoe.

[Ryme]

While the fact that holy has nothing to do with the lily system in spite of its animation is disappointing, and its 10 potency increase despite going up 2 whole "levels" being fairly pathetic, I think its basically fine other than that mechanically. It does have a secondary effect too, it stun all targets hit for 4 second up like 8 or so second if spammed so I think holy is what it should be, except for the cast time, 100% agree it should be 1.5 sec, same for all healers main single target and aoe spells.

Thin Air dose need to be improved, though at this point I think my favorite idea for a change to thin air is simply for it to restore like 15% mana on use and be the same otherwise, 2 stacks 60 sec cd. While it would arguable be "weaker" than even its current iteration for rezing, I think its utility would over all sky rocket. This would also remove the weaving issue as you could cast it retroactively instead of proactively.

Aquaveil being 10 second would be cool, and another QoL change but I think its such a simple but effective ability to start that like you said its not a huge deal.

I disagree that making Afflatus dps neutral would make it too strong. Doing this would effectively give whm 1 extra glare every 1.5 min (a little more because Square didn't adjust Afflatus at the start like they should have) which really is not very much.

I hadn't thought about a second charge on Assize but that would be a massive QoL change, 100% agree. A second charge of Assize would make a big difference is how good whm feels to play.

[Liam_Harper]

I think Aquaveil should be something else entirely tbh. Tanks have far too much mitigation and tankbusters tickle. Even if your tank takes a full 50k to the face, you're preventing 15% of that (less if stacked with other mitigation), which is about the equivalent of a 425 potency heal (less than a Cure I) and much worse than Exaltation which would total about 800 potency in that situation. The rest of the time, in things like EX or Normal, you're probably lucky to get 200-300 potency worth.
Aquaveil is basically only good if your tank would have died without it, otherwise it's undertuned and weak.

Afflatus Misery needs to be adjusted.
Making it DPS neutral (1240 pot - not counting using it under buff window and stuff) would probably make it be too strong, especially if you can charge it in downtime.

I don't think it'd be too strong. Potency could be tweaked elsewhere if necessary but WHM will gradually become worse over the expansion compared to AST and SCH, because raid buffs scale with player damage.

[Valknut]

Ever since the lilies got added I can't for the life of me see the skills are on the GCD.

Take all 3 Lilly skills off the GCD, and WHM will feel amazing.

[Basherr]

Holy III is really sad honestly.

Holy finally gets an upgrade and it's "only" 10 more potency. The animation is cool though.
I think it should get the Gravity treatment. At this point, every healer have a 1,5s cast time or instant cast aoe.

Also, I'd like to see an additionnal effect to it.(every healer actually)
I find it sad that the animation is a lily exploding but its usage isn't synergizing with its kit.

It deserves better treatment.

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Thin Air needs to be changed back to its old form.
Whether that, or keep the charge system and the 60s CD, but let it work on the next 3/4 spells.

It'll feel better.
Not every situation is about having a "Rez skill ready".
Besides, it's amusing because if you want to switcast/thin air a raise, you can't do it in between Glare III and you gotta do it in a 2 weaving space window (regen, lily spell).

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Aquaveil is nice, but i'd add 2s to it (8s -> 10s). It's not that much an issue, but since WHM doesn't have as much oGCD as the other healer, I think it's important for the one he gets to be strong.

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Is Benediction still worth a 3min CD ? Honestly, I think not. Considering what we get each expansion, our healing kit keep getting better. And this 3min cooldown is arbitrary long nowadays.
I'd keep it at 2min though. It's still strong, especially for living dead.

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Afflatus Misery needs to be adjusted.
Making it DPS neutral (1240 pot - not counting using it under buff window and stuff) would probably make it be too strong, especially if you can charge it in downtime.
But, considering Glare III is 10 potency higher now... At least make it be 940 pot (or just a flat 1000)

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Assize really needs a second charge
Charges showed us how comfy it is to be able to sit on one charge (any reason). It could make assize being used for healing purposes and not being afraid of loosing one usage if we want to hold it 5 more seconds for a raidwide aoe.

From a design perspective having Lillies as the core job mechanic be suboptimal just doesn't feel right as well. Considering you generate 1 Lilly per 30 seconds in combat using them should be rewarding, you shouldn't feel bad about using it because you lost DPS.

[Silver-Strider]

From a design perspective having Lillies as the core job mechanic be suboptimal just doesn't feel right as well. Considering you generate 1 Lilly per 30 seconds in combat using them should be rewarding, you shouldn't feel bad about using it because you lost DPS.

Lilies were fundamentally flawed since their inception in SB. ShB made them better but not perfect and EW just kind of forgot about them instead of expanding on them.

I honestly feel WHM could use an overhaul at this point because it's just a mess from start to finish.