Jobs start level and why it is bad to start so high

[FusiaRain]

okay first off this isn't going to be a thread about "oh this person doesnt know how to tank/heal and playing x job"

This is about the experience of the job.

As much as I love reaper and other jobs like red mage,sam, dancer etc the fact is I'm not ever going to enjoy them as much as a monk,bard,dragoon and any of the others.

The reason is leveling experience matters, it gets you use to the job, you get to see gears as soon as you can were them and put them on. And you were not cut out of GLAMORS for playing that job.

in so many ways it was a huge mistake to make jobs any higher than level 30, when they come out.

Yes you can sync them down or do Potd, but the truth is that is a half experience compared to the real deal of dark knight-ast-mch and down.

You can say well people who are playing the game, and want to jump in the new expansion wouldn't play them. "yes they would" the only difference is they would take their time experiencing the job to give it the viewpoint it deservers. Doing 10-30 levels only isn't an experience of the job its just a flicker point in the eyes.

+ if it wasn't for the class then job issue I wouldn't even agree to jobs starting above level 1 no matter when they come out at least they do so level 30 is reasonable.

[Jennah]

On the one hand, sure.
On the other hand, by level 50, Reaper basically just has the 1-2-3 rotation, and doesn't get to do any of the reaping until 70.
Doing that from level 1 would be *EXCRUCIATING*

[Driavna]

I disagree, it's fine right now. You can't really learn your rotation and develop muscle memory until you have close, or all, your skills. An option to que for the first dungeon and go from there is always there for anyone that want to do it.

[Rongway]

Leveling doesn't matter. The people who can't be bothered to learn their jobs at high levels are the same people who wouldn't be bothered to learn their jobs while leveling. Additionally, you can't learn to play a job properly with an incomplete action set anyway. The leveling process starting at 1 and adding an action every few levels encourages building bad habits, bad bar layouts, and bad control schemes early on and then fixing them later, instead of working out a bar layout and control scheme that promote good habits from the beginning.

[FusiaRain]

On the one hand, sure.
On the other hand, by level 50, Reaper basically just has the 1-2-3 rotation, and doesn't get to do any of the reaping until 70.
Doing that from level 1 would be *EXCRUCIATING*

While that is true honestly I think that because they start it at such a high level honestly if it started around the same level as drk it would be about the same as them most likely

Leveling doesn't matter. The people who can't be bothered to learn their jobs at high levels are the same people who wouldn't be bothered to learn their jobs while leveling. Additionally, you can't learn to play a job properly with an incomplete action set anyway. The leveling process starting at 1 and ending at 90 encourages building bad habits, bad bar layouts, and bad control schemes early on and then fixing them later, instead of working out a bar layout and control scheme that promote good habits from the beginning.

leveling matters alot to many people, for so many reasons. Personally It matters more to me than "end game" because its a full experience and something to grind, and take pleasure in

its way more enjoyable than something that basically ends up as "Esports trash" that has ruined the gaming industry overall

I guess people don't think it matters because they like hand outs when it comes to things that matter, but will work for stupid mounts and outfits/titles lol

[Rongway]

leveling matters alot to many people, for so many reasons. Personally It matters more to me than "end game" because its a full experience and something to grind, and take pleasure in

There is plenty of grind content where you can take a job with a complete action set and grind for hours if you want. Not everyone enjoys a meaningless grind.

I guess people don't think it matters because they like hand outs when it comes to things that matter, but will work for stupid mounts and outfits/titles lol

Mounts and outfits do matter, and if you want to spend time playing with major holes in your rotation, having to end combos after only two steps, with large amounts of time spent not pressing anything except 1, there are places you can go while the rest of us focus on how to play jobs that have fleshed out rotations.

[aveyond-dreams]

I'm not interested in having jobs start any lower than 10 levels below whatever an expansion's level is. There are 19 full jobs in this game and I do not have the patience to level each from scratch like the ARR ones.

[FusiaRain]

There is plenty of grind content where you can take a job with a complete action set and grind for hours if you want. Not everyone enjoys a meaningless grind.


Mounts and outfits do matter, and if you want to spend time playing with major holes in your rotation, having to end combos after only two steps, with large amounts of time spent not pressing anything except 1, there are places you can go while the rest of us focus on how to play jobs that have fleshed out rotations.

they don't matter lol they are just show off material to brag out lol that isn't mattering...


also not really the things grinding for are not worth a damn they are to show off Which doesn't really matter worth a damn, when I grind I want to feel rewarded for the grind not get some shiny bullshit trophy and something to show off, I want the power to show off how strong the work and effort of grinding was,


I'm sorry about stupid mount or some title doesn't make me feel good are like it was worth a damn when its like oh just stand around here and afk to show off "what matters" its funny how people are so Well idk the word thinking that matters

[Veliaire]

The experience is what you make of it. Whether you choose to do low lvl content or whether you are forced to makes no difference except in your own head.

Back before my chocobo made max rank, I used to level a lot of characters out in the field. Yes, I had access to PotD and all that but I chose to take the long route because I wanted to rank up my chocobo. I only mention this to point out that I was not forced into one path, I chose it. If people want to do low level content then let it be their choice. They shouldn't be forced into a low level grind for someone else's idea of what a proper experience should look like. I think a 10 lvl gap is fine enough for new jobs.

If you feel like you need a certain experience to bond more with your new job, might I suggest the following new game +? Or ilvl synced dungeons? Make a post in the forum for your world to see if there is a linkshell for like-minded people who get together and do this content, and if not, create your own and promote it.

[Lynesse]

Just chiming in to say I agree, and I would add that classes don't have to be boring or teach bad habits at lower levels. The progression could definitely be better. This thread is criticizing SE's approach, and it's worth criticizing that too.