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  1. #251
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    Noragiri's Avatar
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    Nora Dawnbringer
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    Twintania
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    Dancer Lv 90
    is this some sort of NA joke that i am too EU to understand
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  2. #252
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    Saraide's Avatar
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    Saraide Derosa
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    Odin
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    Dark Knight Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by gumas View Post
    considering i main bard, i have been getting side eye like 1 out of 10 run everytime i join party, stuff like "oh no bard" or "welp low dps" or "this is going to take long isnt it?", i have been eating that "critique" like breakfast for a long time

    doing parser is fine as long they use it for their own research/reference, as long they dont use it to "check" which one is doing the lowest dps then start finger pointing to that person, do that and you are welcomed to my blacklist lol
    I dont think you are getting side eye'd for your performance but because bard has been a rather weak dps for quite some time.
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  3. #253
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    ForteNightshade's Avatar
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    Kurenai Tenshi
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    Cactuar
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    Paladin Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Ashua View Post
    It's this double standard I can't stand. People who bot use mods and dps meters are breaking the rules but se won't do anything about it. As long as you are using market board and auto farming bots you are safe if you don't slip you bot. But people can't report you because it isn't enforced. I've reported botters for years and these same people play 24/7 and have made billions of gil at the cost of destroying anyone who wants to try to make money with trade skills. Seeing 20 bots instantly swarm houses as well is fun
    Let's not go conflating two very different things. Texture mods and DPS meters are not the same as market board bots. The former two only enhance aesthetic and gameplay for the user while the latter willfully crashes the economy. Only one of these things is harmful no matter how it's used. Nevertheless, you are correct. SE does virtually nothing about non-RMT bots. Which is why they are increasingly more brazen nowadays. It's laughably easy to get away with, unfortunately.
    (4)
    "Stand in the ashes of a trillion dead souls and ask the ghosts if honor matters."
    "The silence is your answer."


  4. #254
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    Shurrikhan's Avatar
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    Tani Shirai
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    Cactuar
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    Monk Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by gumas View Post
    considering i main bard, i have been getting side eye like 1 out of 10 run everytime i join party, stuff like "oh no bard" or "welp low dps" or "this is going to take long isnt it?", i have been eating that "critique" like breakfast for a long time

    doing parser is fine as long they use it for their own research/reference, as long they dont use it to "check" which one is doing the lowest dps then start finger pointing to that person, do that and you are welcomed to my blacklist lol
    Shouldn't it be the opposite?

    Let's say I play a presently underperforming job. You're saying that despite actually keeping up with or outperforming my fellow DPS despite my choice in job I should be okay with being excluded from groups or catching side-eyes on the simple fact that they shouldn't be able to tell that I can more than make up for my job choice?

    I'd rather have them use a parser and decide on things only as they actually are than start excluding jobs over community narrative.

    Alas, such is blasphemy, I know, to prefer we judge by merit rather than discriminating via mere preconceptions, so long as a third-party tool might be involved.
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    Last edited by Shurrikhan; 12-20-2021 at 01:52 AM.

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  6. #255
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    SamSmoot's Avatar
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    Fugu Barr
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    Exodus
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    Ninja Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Pavise View Post
    Look, as long as they're not abusing anyone by using them all the more power to them.
    I use one occasionally, but I only turn it on if I'm playing within range of another NIN with similar item level. I see no point in comparing myself with different classes, since that reveals nothing about my performance.
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    Last edited by SamSmoot; 12-22-2021 at 09:43 AM.

  7. #256
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    Hammerhorn's Avatar
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    Hammerhorn Oathsworn
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    Excalibur
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    Gladiator Lv 90
    Sorry I enjoy transparency, cults and religions are started from keeping people blind of truth and facts.
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  8. #257
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    Sighearth's Avatar
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    Axel Walker
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    Gilgamesh
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    Arcanist Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by JanVanding View Post
    Cute switching out the letter P with B, but no.

    Don't do it, you know it's not allowed. You want to run your Abacus with yourself of your group of friends together, go for it.

    Don't ask, Don't tell is still very much in play, people can and will report you for it and if you get caught you're in trouble.

    Run your calculator quietly, don't go shouting it out that you are going to check others with your math tools and decide if they can play with you.
    Dont enter the pt then
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  9. #258
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    Xuled's Avatar
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    Celica Yascaret
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    Famfrit
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    White Mage Lv 70
    ok green lol
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  10. #259
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    VelKallor's Avatar
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    Vel Kallor
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    Kujata
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    Red Mage Lv 100
    I dont think you are getting side eye'd for your performance but because bard has been a rather weak dps for quite some time.
    BRD is a support class, and if you are measuring BRD by dps alone , you are the one making the mistake.

    BRD brings a lot to the table, from their songs to Natures Minne and Troubadour, not to mention Warden's Paean and Battle Voice. I keep saying this, but its a fact, dps on its own is NOT a viable metric. You can tunnel the boss all you like, pad your meters...matters zero if you arent using ALL of your toolkit.

    All classes are viable, and all classes have a huge amount to offer.

    Every time I see these dps meters, i am reminded of an idiot boss who wasnt happy I left work on time..and ignored what I had actually DONE that day.

    DPS parsing leads to tunnel vision...which is not a good thing.
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    Last edited by VelKallor; 12-22-2021 at 01:11 PM.

  11. #260
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    Shurrikhan's Avatar
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    Tani Shirai
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    Cactuar
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    Monk Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by VelKallor View Post
    BRD is a support class, and if you are measuring BRD by dps alone , you are the one making the mistake.
    Virtually any mention of "DPS" since late Stormblood will refer to rDPS (personal damage plus bonus damage contributed minus bonus damage received). As such, it already comprehensively accounts for any support that is not situational to the point of providing no measurable advantage/throughput.
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