Endwalker was a great mess(SPOILERS)

[FusiaRain]

I really don't get this "its rushed" thing people keep claiming.

This has had a lot of setup, and that's pretty atypical in this game. Shb can honestly be seen as Part One, and EW as Part Two of this story arc, with implications and connections to everything that came before in terms of impact.

it had the set up yes, but honestly that doesnt matter much. the ziggurts were in shadowbringers for weeks or months in character wise, yet we only break into 2 of them and the second one just deleted all the others.

Then we hit the moon the second we get there we tossed at zodiark to end him, then the world starts burning IN ONLY ONE ZONE was the end of the world happening and then we go clear the dungeon and it just stops after a few scenes then we tossed to see the past we do. We return we talk to them then we sent off in a rocket not even a second to fight off the evil turns through out the world.
That is by definition rushed it doesn't matter if you have 20 years of pre setting if its not actually played through for the part. We hardly ever got the sense the world was indanger at all, and with all the jokes and all that (was great yes) but it had no place in an end of the world type screen play


(yes role quest go over other areas, but those minimal threats that hardly felt like they were anything but clean up chore from the final days.

[Arzalis]

I hate when people make a fuss about the time-travel in this expansion and how "it doesn't make sense".

Yet when Interstellar does the exact same thing, everyone loses their fucking minds, and thinks it's the greatest movie of all time.

AND I DIDN'T EVEN LIKE INTERSTELLAR!

Do yourself a favor, watch the following movies:
-Interstellar
-Deja Vu
-Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban (yes, really)

Then you'll be able to answer this question:

There's a difference between a story using it once and a story using it no less than three times. It's a bit overused at this point in FFXIV, that's all. Especially because a lot of the complaints I have with EW's story is related to the messiness they created with time travel.

The place we used it to go was worth it, so it's fine, but I'd really rather they stop using time travel now.

[crimsonwitch]

I think OP doesn't understand the the story at all.

How can you deduce that? I don't understand your comment. Without a reply, i'm assuming you just mad i'm dogging on the expansion a bit.
The story was pretty obvious. Hermes posed a question that led an artificially created being to believe in nihilism. There wasn't that much to understand

[Lostar]

We can travel back to the edge of the universe because of some anomaly that has kept the ship in both places at once; fine. Our IC reasonings for ever going back is never really established so I guess it's for the lulz and FATEs and sweet sweet Dynamis Crystals. Again, fine.

But what about Elpis? Did they ever mention how and why we can teleport back there after MSQ is done? Did I miss it or is it just one of those things we have to say is purely OOC as there is no way the WoL will be able to make it back.

Also... I have a crush on Hythlodaeus. -___-

[Shuuli]

My question. If Hyda knew everything after our escape from Hermes

1. Why did she not try to explain the situation to the convocation? The Final days did not come 1 day right after our returning to the current time. The ancients did try to be quite open minded about all sorts crazy things happening around them. (Even if Emet was a bit reluctant at the beginning due to his depiction in our story) I cannot believe that they would not have tried to solve the problem with Dynamis in another way then summoning Zodiark.

2. If Hyda knew everything, why from the beginning to the end she did never say anything to US???
Was she afraid that she would change the future and we would never go back to the past? How so when WE could not change the future from the past before?

And these questions are the ones that make time travel strange. Again, Graha could create an alternate timeline and change the future, so why could not we?

Time travel will always have this issue that staying consistent with it is pretty hard.

But all in all I liked the full story, it just will raise some questions in the heads

[BluexBird]

There's a difference between a story using it once and a story using it no less than three times. It's a bit overused at this point in FFXIV, that's all. Especially because a lot of the complaints I have with EW's story is related to the messiness they created with time travel.

The place we used it to go was worth it, so it's fine, but I'd really rather they stop using time travel now.

Name one other time they've used time-travel in this game, besides Alexander which doesn't really count because it was a sub-story and actually got handled a bit differently since the focus subject in that case was Mide.

[Shuuli]

Name one other time they've used time-travel in this game, besides Alexander which doesn't really count because it was a sub-story and actually got handled a bit differently since the focus subject in that case was Mide.

Graha Tia... lmao.

[Lostar]

Name one other time they've used time-travel in this game, besides Alexander which doesn't really count because it was a sub-story and actually got handled a bit differently since the focus subject in that case was Mide.

The Crystal Exarch

EDIT: I also bet this will be the last time we see this plot tool being used since there was this whole thing about the covergance. Before it; the timeline was like a pile of tangled noodles; now that its all sorted into one strand, I bet it will stay that way and we'll be venturing into not the next chapter of this saga; but the next series of chapters. How there are no more primals; the mother crystal is gone.. it reminds me of the end of Cataclysm when all the dragons lost their powers and they handed off the torch to the mortals.

[Nekaru_Infitima]

Was she afraid that she would change the future and we would never go back to the past? How so when WE could not change the future from the past before?

Yes.

When she meets us and says the times have now converged, after confirmation we went to Elpis that's when she KNOWS that you completed the loop and it's safe to talk. Anything before that could have changed the timeline of what we did and threaten us never going back. She knows we went back obviously but doesn't know WHEN in the present timeline that we did.

We told her what she would do and she had to play that part to a T, but we also told her how she acted in saying nothing about this so she also had to act that as well to complete the loop. If she changed anything about any of it, that's when things could change. If she told us on the ship, it could have made us do something different. She had to make sure she and us did everything that we told her happened, as well as let the natural flow cycle.

If she tried to tell the convocation it would change things as we told her she didn't work with them. The entire point is to line the times up and create that flow NOT to create a divergent timeline.

[Anatha]

it had the set up yes, but honestly that doesnt matter much. the ziggurts were in shadowbringers for weeks or months in character wise, yet we only break into 2 of them and the second one just deleted all the others.

Then we hit the moon the second we get there we tossed at zodiark to end him, then the world starts burning IN ONLY ONE ZONE was the end of the world happening and then we go clear the dungeon and it just stops after a few scenes then we tossed to see the past we do. We return we talk to them then we sent off in a rocket not even a second to fight off the evil turns through out the world.
That is by definition rushed it doesn't matter if you have 20 years of pre setting if its not actually played through for the part. We hardly ever got the sense the world was indanger at all, and with all the jokes and all that (was great yes) but it had no place in an end of the world type screen play


(yes role quest go over other areas, but those minimal threats that hardly felt like they were anything but clean up chore from the final days.

Yes, dilly dallying and wasting time trying to put bandaids on issues that wouldn't be possible to resolve that way would really have been the intelligent path rather than actually trying to fix the problem. You guys complain about padding and filler, and then you complain there isn't enough(and when it makes no rational sense to boot!). I don't get it.

My question. If Hyda knew everything after our escape from Hermes

1. Why did she not try to explain the situation to the convocation? The Final days did not come 1 day right after our returning to the current time. The ancients did try to be quite open minded about all sorts crazy things happening around them. (Even if Emet was a bit reluctant at the beginning due to his depiction in our story) I cannot believe that they would not have tried to solve the problem with Dynamis in another way then summoning Zodiark.

2. If Hyda knew everything, why from the beginning to the end she did never say anything to US???
Was she afraid that she would change the future and we would never go back to the past? How so when WE could not change the future from the past before?

And these questions are the ones that make time travel strange. Again, Graha could create an alternate timeline and change the future, so why could not we?

Time travel will always have this issue that staying consistent with it is pretty hard.

But all in all I liked the full story, it just will raise some questions in the heads

That's all.. like.. explained in the dialogue? There's no inconsistency. You can't /tell/ someone they've done something before they do it or they aren't going to do it the way that they did it to begin with.