Endwalker was a great mess(SPOILERS)

[crimsonwitch]

Look, a better way to phrase my thoughts.
-issues with graha's timeline and elpis...
-hydaelyn pretty much didnt even want to tell the ancients about hermes and his creation. thus the sundering of the worlds was partly her fault. even if she did and solved it all back then, we wouldn't even be here in eorzea. so the story cancels itself.
- odd pacing, we are playing dressup with bunnies while the world is ending at radz at han.
- they made zenos follow us for 4 years and we don't even get to hear his last words?

i am done editing this thread, i've concluded that people are just mad i'm critiquing their favorite games' story. i started in 2019, and square had a great thing rolling with shadowbringers but they just dropped the ball. im probably gonna end up quitting.

[Evergrey]

The fact that the time travel loop raises questions . (like how did hydaelyn know to be a primal at level 50 if you never went back into the past till level 90)

That's the neat part about time travel, you've already been back in time when you first created your character.
Why else do you think Hydaelyn chose you to be her champion if she didn't know you from before.

[Illmaeran]

Meteion being The Big Bad may have always been the thing per current lore, but we need to keep in mind *nobody except Venat/Hydaelyn knew of her existence*. The Unsundered Trio weren't trying to bring about Meteion's Final Days, they were trying to accomplish multiple Rejoinings to get Daddy Zodiark out of jail.

If you want to really blow your mind, Venat knew to be the primal Hydaelyn since pre-1.0 times

To answer your musing, having played since 2014 I think Meteion and Hydaelyn's origin stories are a good retcon-resolution to a story started back when they were just trying to repair the game. The whole of EW is rushed, but I give them slack since tying up that much story in a single expansion is nuts. I'm not sure how else they could have explained The Sound and/or origin of The Final Days so Meteion's as good an option as any to me.

[Caitlinzulu]

euhm, i agree the stort feels a bit rushed but if you skip half and call introducing new characters filler quests then i am not surprised you feel that the story is very rushed. Take your time to enjoy the quests i would say

[ryouma17]

Arrive in thavnair and do A LITTLE BIT more filler stuff with the elephant people until Nidhana gets trapped by elidibus and placed into the tower!
[/I]

fandanial is the one who trapped everyone inside the towers, elidibus was currently locked away inside white auracite on the 1st when all of this was goin down

[FusiaRain]

honestly I was a little disappoint with the main story line It was hardly an end of the world scene, we only went in TWO of the ziggurats, zodiark showed up way early to see. Zenos really did nothing at all expect for help us at the final (the final scene was great) but way to little for our best friend.

Amon Really did nothing at all we got one fight with him and he didn't even attack at all (huge disappointment) Then the end of world ark only lasted for like 2 scenes.

It was honestly hugely disappointment in my opinion (did I like it yes) but it wasnt amazing at all it rushed and skiped over so much and hardly made you feel like it was end of the world.


The scions were like well I'm just going to disappear for 5mins at the very end and pop they are brought back. Sorry but I even find ARR better designed at the story point than endwalker

+ the msq was like only 14 hours long total tbh without cutscene time

[LitheSuxman]

I think OP doesn't understand the the story at all.

[BluexBird]

I hate when people make a fuss about the time-travel in this expansion and how "it doesn't make sense".

Yet when Interstellar does the exact same thing, everyone loses their fucking minds, and thinks it's the greatest movie of all time.

AND I DIDN'T EVEN LIKE INTERSTELLAR!

Do yourself a favor, watch the following movies:
-Interstellar
-Deja Vu
-Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban (yes, really)

Then you'll be able to answer this question:

The fact that the time travel loop raises questions . (like how did hydaelyn know to be a primal at level 50 if you never went back into the past till level 90).

[Anatha]

I really don't get this "its rushed" thing people keep claiming.

This has had a lot of setup, and that's pretty atypical in this game. Shb can honestly be seen as Part One, and EW as Part Two of this story arc, with implications and connections to everything that came before in terms of impact.

[Nekaru_Infitima]

Self-fulfilling prophecy. Unlike multiverse theory (my favorite time travel one) FFXIV used linear for both EW and the Alexander time travel escapades. Crystarium was multiverse, but many theorize that's because Omega added the dimensional travel elements to it.

But self-fulfilling prophecy. Out of all movies, Minority Report explained this the best.

Knowing the future changes the future unless it is already pre-written.

Which means you always went back in time, always met Venat, always told her of the future, and always set her on the path she would follow.
On the flip side, Venat would set you on the path to go back and set her on her path. It's pre-written and set in stone. Fate.

If you went back and didn't tell her, or didn't go back at all, that's where the future would have changed as it was written you would tell her, and written that she would make you her champion.

But the way things are set it's the age old question which came first the chicken or the egg, did you tell Venat first, or did Venat name you her champion first. Did the egg hatch the chicken or did the chicken hatch the egg.

No one knows.