Quote Originally Posted by Sighearth View Post
1) It actually screams efficiency, suppose you need 4000 potency to heal the party. WHM -> 6.6 Cure III (10 000 MP) and 2046 damage potency cost.
AST -> 10 Helios -> (7000 MP) 2500 damage potency cost.
So cure 3 achieves that in less gcds (meaning faster), costing less damage. If you use 2 thin airs, the MP cost will be the same (7000 MP)

2) I'm not saying that they are not strong enough because those are not mandatory, what I'm saying is that they will NOT be used to guarantee a sch,PLD,etc a spot exactly because they are not mandatory. What is mandatory is damage, if the damage discrepancy between 2 jobs is high it doesn't matter any other utility that does not translate to damage. SGE have 30% more free heals than SCH while also doing more damage. That 30% translates directly into damage that makes the situation worse. Now get SCH and don't use ED at all to compete with SGE healing, you will be healing more than SGE but SCH dps will be so much worse than SGE that this discrepancy will makes SGE objectively better choice. SCH can be behind SGE and terms of DPS and healing, even if chain surpasses the breakpoint of 8% SCHs DPS, the problem is that 30% free healing difference is too much. For SCH to be close to SGE (even if it loses by a small margin) it will be healing way less. Can bigger shields. expedience, translate in more raid dps? Maybe in niche situations that more likely than not will not make SCH a more attractive choice.

3) SCH and SGE working good does not goes against my argument. On the contrary, SCH can't replace SGE so it works with it because it does more damage than AST currently. As WHM can't free heal, the other contender would be SCH or AST (that can free heal) since AST dps is way too low right now, SCH wins out. If AST gets a slight dps potency adjust then the speed kill/optimization comp will not be SCH/SGE but AST/SGE.
1) You had to use a hyperbole to "prove" that Cure III is great/can make a difference. Why do I even need that much healing? Why do I use 10 Helios and not my plethora of oGCDs (that are also on a short CD)? it doesn't make sense.

2) I don't know how you can get the point and also miss it at the same time. If the damage difference between two jobs is not significant enough (like between Sage and Scholar), then there's not an issue. When the difference is significant (DRK and PLD), the undertuned job does need to be buffed. It's as simple as that.

3) SCH can't replace SGE? I'm pretty sure SCH was able to clear current EXs and I'm pretty sure it won't have any problem with upcoming Savage.

You are talking in hyperboles, making assumptions that conveniently ignore other factors (if AST can get a DPS buff, why can't WHM, for example?) and most importantly you are conflating balance and speedrun meta for no particular reason.