Balance between SGE and SCH

[Sighearth]

So now that SGE is out and having played with it quite a bit in max level its quite apparent that SGE healing toolkit is too strong. It has way too much free oGCD heals. Its basically a SCH in the release of ShB (when we had no Energy Drain). By no means I think SGE should be nerfed. I think SCH need a slight potency adjust to be able to compete with SGE for a spot. Given that SGE does more DPS than SCH (including chain) and also heals a lot more. I don't think removing ED from SCH would do any good, specially because ED optimization is fun and one of the little optimizations healers still have. As the fairy cds are actually free now ( not costing a weave slot or a ruin2 ) the way to go is to buff fairy skill.

1) Whispering Dawn adjusted from 560 potency to 660 potency. At least 100 extra potency/ min

2) Fey illumination damage reduction from 5% to 10% and from magic damage to any damage. This would make it in line with SGE's holos (both are 2 mins)

3) Fey blessing adjusted from 320 to 450 ( so a party wide physick on a 1 minute cd)

4) Sacred Soil adjusted to no longer require aetherflow. As kerachole is massively better than soil, with soil only having +100 potency in healing, its unfair how SGE can have 50% uptime on kera for free while sch have to lose dps to do a slightly worse version

With those changes I believe SCH can compete equally for the shield healer spot in any party.

[xKnave]

either fairies or laser turrets.. both works.. matters of preference uwu

[RinaShinomiya]

With those changes I believe SCH can compete equally for the shield healer spot in any party.

I don't think SCH need buffs like that it's just clunky is all. It's still a very powerful shield healer that can do insane Shields on demand, having a force Crit button on top of Deployment Tacticts is nutty and thanks to ENW's fixing the shield delay you can now even weave Deplo right after Crit Adlo making it super satisfying to perform. Sage can't do that. Sage also has no Excog or a Thrill of battle err i mean Protraction, which is another great heal, heal buff and damage mitigation tool. As far as i'm concerned both Jobs are equally strong, sage just plays better imo.

i'm pretty sure if ED got removed the Potency would flow over to Broil and Biolosys. So that would already fix your issue with sacred soil (or any Aetherflow abilities for that matter) being a DPS loss. Sacred Soil and kerachole are pretty much identical in what they do just a different execution so i don't really see the point of buffing it. In fact most Addersgall and Aetherflow abilities are identical minus the damage mitigation part.

Pretty sure Fey illumination isn't meant as a Damage Mitigation tool like Holos but rather a healing buff so you can erect bigger shields. The 5% magic damage mitigation is just a bonus. It's more comparable to Physis 2 which seems to me like Whispering Dawn and Fey Illumination combined into 1 button (which might be good or bad depending on who you ask). Holos is more comparable to Fey Blessing which has the exact same potency as Holos if you take Pet potency scaling into account.

I don't see what the fey blessing buff would achieve since you already have Indom as a AoE 30s CD Physick.

[Brandedblade]

So now that SGE is out and having played with it quite a bit in max level its quite apparent that SGE healing toolkit is too strong. It has way too much free oGCD heals. Its basically a SCH in the release of ShB (when we had no Energy Drain). By no means I think SGE should be nerfed. I think SCH need a slight potency adjust to be able to compete with SGE for a spot. Given that SGE does more DPS than SCH (including chain) and also heals a lot more. I don't think removing ED from SCH would do any good, specially because ED optimization is fun and one of the little optimizations healers still have. As the fairy cds are actually free now ( not costing a weave slot or a ruin2 ) the way to go is to buff fairy skill.

1) Whispering Dawn adjusted from 560 potency to 660 potency. At least 100 extra potency/ min

2) Fey illumination damage reduction from 5% to 10% and from magic damage to any damage. This would make it in line with SGE's holos (both are 2 mins)

3) Fey blessing adjusted from 320 to 450 ( so a party wide physick on a 1 minute cd)

4) Sacred Soil adjusted to no longer require aetherflow. As kerachole is massively better than soil, with soil only having +100 potency in healing, its unfair how SGE can have 50% uptime on kera for free while sch have to lose dps to do a slightly worse version

With those changes I believe SCH can compete equally for the shield healer spot in any party.

The sole thing I can think of besides minor potency tweaks would be to reduce the cast time of Adloquium (and Succor, but only adlo if we only get one) to 1.5 seconds. The biggest difference i feel between playing scholar and sage is the fact that Sage shields FEEL more snappier and reactive to throw out. And that is primarily because of the fact Eukrasia serves as a "psuedo-cast time" where it is still technically a cast time of Eukrasia's GCD to cast the shield, but you can at the very least move during said "cast time". While this wouldn't solve the fact SCH would still need to sit and cast to use their shields, this would at least give a similar amount of reactiveness, and would allow you to instantly use deployment tactics at the end of the cast without it clipping the gcd.

[Calysto]

The sole thing I can think of besides minor potency tweaks would be to reduce the cast time of Adloquium (and Succor, but only adlo if we only get one) to 1.5 seconds. The biggest difference i feel between playing scholar and sage is the fact that Sage shields FEEL more snappier and reactive to throw out. And that is primarily because of the fact Eukrasia serves as a "psuedo-cast time" where it is still technically a cast time of Eukrasia's GCD to cast the shield, but you can at the very least move during said "cast time". While this wouldn't solve the fact SCH would still need to sit and cast to use their shields, this would at least give a similar amount of reactiveness, and would allow you to instantly use deployment tactics at the end of the cast without it clipping the gcd.

They could upgrade recitation to make adlo/succor instant (with or instead of mp free).

As for SGE/SCH healing potencies ; SGE can get better shields. In zadnor I had shields worth more than target hp with Zoe and a crit (I may had lucky RNG but I got that a lot) while critlo only went to 50-65 %.
Deployement tactics may be good but it still feel like a scam to me deploying only half the shield

[Jybril]

The sole thing I can think of besides minor potency tweaks would be to reduce the cast time of Adloquium (and Succor, but only adlo if we only get one) to 1.5 seconds. The biggest difference i feel between playing scholar and sage is the fact that Sage shields FEEL more snappier and reactive to throw out. And that is primarily because of the fact Eukrasia serves as a "psuedo-cast time" where it is still technically a cast time of Eukrasia's GCD to cast the shield, but you can at the very least move during said "cast time". While this wouldn't solve the fact SCH would still need to sit and cast to use their shields, this would at least give a similar amount of reactiveness, and would allow you to instantly use deployment tactics at the end of the cast without it clipping the gcd.

The cast time to do a Barrier is roughly 1.5 seconds (I think) as oppose to the near 2 seconds there is to cast Adlo.
I believe the issue with SCH is simply the cast times and SGE is just faster at deploying the shields.
I mentioned elsewhere, but Adlo + Deploy is clunky and takes too long to get out.
SGE has a lot of instant stuff that gets the job done quick.
SCH still needs to place succor, get Adloploy, get stuff ready for Faerie when with SGE it's all done with a single button.

[KDSilver]

Broil IV :

295 (what's this weird potency ?) => 300

Dissipation :

20% healing spell boost => 10% healing action boost

Fey Illumination :

10% healing spell boost => 5%/10% healing action boost.

That's the least I'm asking for.

[rewd]

SCH can already compete with SGE, it doesn't need buffs even though I certainly wouldn't be against them.

[Sighearth]

My point its: Why would you get a SCH instead of a SGE? SGE has better dps and has better healing. Biggers shields on demand? By design SE would never make the difference in shields obligatory as it would lock sch as the shield healer, same with the party sprint. From a pure potency perspective there is no reason to ever bring a sch over sge. At least with WHM vs AST, there are situations where cure 3 can shine and you say, well WHM could make a difference here (same with living dead)

[RinaShinomiya]

My point its: Why would you get a SCH instead of a SGE? SGE has better dps and has better healing. Biggers shields on demand? By design SE would never make the difference in shields obligatory as it would lock sch as the shield healer, same with the party sprint. From a pure potency perspective there is no reason to ever bring a sch over sge. At least with WHM vs AST, there are situations where cure 3 can shine and you say, well WHM could make a difference here (same with living dead)

Having your party ignore a Mechanic because of a big shield is very valuable. Also the chain stratagem is a very desirable Raid buff. Esp in later patches when Crit materia become more valueable due to how it scales.