Balance between SGE and SCH

[Liam_Harper]

At least with WHM vs AST, there are situations where cure 3 can shine and you say, well WHM could make a difference here (same with living dead)

Cure III is absolutely rubbish now. You'd never bring a WHM over an AST for Cure III. The only reason people bring WHM over AST is gameplay. AST is a pain to play with all the useless new oGCD's to juggle and WHM is straightforward. It's a badly designed, weak healer, but it's still more fun.

Unfortunately the same applies to SCH. As long as SCH has a clunky fairy to micromanage and pays tax for Aether heals while Sage has no gimmick and fires oGCD's out for free, it'll be more popular. Potency buffs won't change much. SCH already has a solid toolkit, it's just clunky to play and players don't enjoy that.

[Cithaerias_pyropina]

I just want something to do with the Fairy Gauge other than Fey Union because it seems like I'm hardly ever using it.

PvP Scholar's got what you want.

[YusiKha]

I'd like to see aetherflow heals grant a free usage of Energy Drain just so Scholar isn't penalised 100p for needing to heal as a healer.
It'd make it nicer to play alongside WHM too, since both jobs have heals that they want to avoid (Misery doesn't refund all the damage sacrified from Solace/Rapture)

[Sighearth]

Cure III is absolutely rubbish now. You'd never bring a WHM over an AST for Cure III. The only reason people bring WHM over AST is gameplay. AST is a pain to play with all the useless new oGCD's to juggle and WHM is straightforward. It's a badly designed, weak healer, but it's still more fun.

Unfortunately the same applies to SCH. As long as SCH has a clunky fairy to micromanage and pays tax for Aether heals while Sage has no gimmick and fires oGCD's out for free, it'll be more popular. Potency buffs won't change much. SCH already has a solid toolkit, it's just clunky to play and players don't enjoy that.

that was just an example, WHM still has more on demand GCD pure heal than AST which is a niche that may be used in a fight

[Sighearth]

You are using a very flawed logic. Why could Cure III make a difference but not bigger shields or Expedient? Cure III is not even that special anymore, especially when we also consider the limited range and WHM's MP economy.

Why bring RDM if BLM simply does more damage? Content is not required to have Magick Barrier, so it makes no sense to ever bring a RDM. Why use WAR if DRK deals more damage? Content is not balanced around Shake it Off, so there is no reason to bring a WAR. I could go on.

Some jobs shine more during prog, other jobs are better suited for kills/speed kills. There is nothing wrong with this as long as every job is more than capable to hold their own in every environment.

SCH has Expedient, bigger shields, remote healing and a kit than handles emergencies better than SGE's does, which makes it the better "prog healer". Even the point about SGE having more heals is moot, as Energy Drain (and DPS in general) doesn't really matter, which means that SCH has just as much healing as Sage, if not even more. However, this doesn't really matter much because SGE is more than capable to be a prog healer. SGE currently does more damage (although we know Chain Stratagem will get better), but again, this doesn't mean much when SCH's DPS is more than enough to obtain a kill without forcing a perfect play from your party.

The balance between WHM and AST is in a much more dangerous situation.

Its not a flawed logic. Cure 3 is a gcd heal, all healers have gcd heals. You can have an ast spamming helios for the same effect with less efficiency. If bigger shields (shield values that other healer have no access) were mandatory, obviously that would lock sch spot which will never happen. Same with expedience, as only sch has access. its not like other healers have a worse/different version of it.

Why bring other other jobs if someone is always the numerical superior? Because if this numerical difference is small enough than its no biggie, thats why

[Calysto]

The sole thing I can think of besides minor potency tweaks would be to reduce the cast time of Adloquium (and Succor, but only adlo if we only get one) to 1.5 seconds. The biggest difference i feel between playing scholar and sage is the fact that Sage shields FEEL more snappier and reactive to throw out. And that is primarily because of the fact Eukrasia serves as a "psuedo-cast time" where it is still technically a cast time of Eukrasia's GCD to cast the shield, but you can at the very least move during said "cast time". While this wouldn't solve the fact SCH would still need to sit and cast to use their shields, this would at least give a similar amount of reactiveness, and would allow you to instantly use deployment tactics at the end of the cast without it clipping the gcd.

They could upgrade recitation to make adlo/succor instant (with or instead of mp free).

As for SGE/SCH healing potencies ; SGE can get better shields. In zadnor I had shields worth more than target hp with Zoe and a crit (I may had lucky RNG but I got that a lot) while critlo only went to 50-65 %.
Deployement tactics may be good but it still feel like a scam to me deploying only half the shield

[rewd]

Its not a flawed logic. Cure 3 is a gcd heal, all healers have gcd heals. You can have an ast spamming helios for the same effect with less efficiency. If bigger shields (shield values that other healer have no access) were mandatory, obviously that would lock sch spot which will never happen. Same with expedience, as only sch has access. its not like other healers have a worse/different version of it.

Why bring other other jobs if someone is always the numerical superior? Because if this numerical difference is small enough than its no biggie, thats why

Not every GCD heal is the same.
Helios: 400 healing potency, 15y radius, 700 MP (on the healer with infinite MP), costs 250 damage potency
Cure III: 600 healing potency, 6y radius, 1500 MP (on the healer with the worst MP economy), costs 310 damage potency.

None of this screams "more efficient" at all.

Yours is indeed a flawed logic. Bigger shields and Expedient are very strong exactly because they are not mandatory. As such, they are an advantage and not a requirement. Why do you think Divine Veil, Shake it off or Passage of Arms are strong skills? Becausethey are not mandatory (nothing is anyway) and represent a clear advantage that give you an easier time in prog/in some strats.

Unless a job is hilariously undertuned (like PLD and DNC at the moment), it doesn't matter. SCH and SGE have both their pros and cons (and they could even be used together to great results, making your point even worse). If and when Chain Stratagem gives SCH higher rDPS, will you be asking for SGE buffs because there is no reason to use it?

[Jybril]

The sole thing I can think of besides minor potency tweaks would be to reduce the cast time of Adloquium (and Succor, but only adlo if we only get one) to 1.5 seconds. The biggest difference i feel between playing scholar and sage is the fact that Sage shields FEEL more snappier and reactive to throw out. And that is primarily because of the fact Eukrasia serves as a "psuedo-cast time" where it is still technically a cast time of Eukrasia's GCD to cast the shield, but you can at the very least move during said "cast time". While this wouldn't solve the fact SCH would still need to sit and cast to use their shields, this would at least give a similar amount of reactiveness, and would allow you to instantly use deployment tactics at the end of the cast without it clipping the gcd.

The cast time to do a Barrier is roughly 1.5 seconds (I think) as oppose to the near 2 seconds there is to cast Adlo.
I believe the issue with SCH is simply the cast times and SGE is just faster at deploying the shields.
I mentioned elsewhere, but Adlo + Deploy is clunky and takes too long to get out.
SGE has a lot of instant stuff that gets the job done quick.
SCH still needs to place succor, get Adloploy, get stuff ready for Faerie when with SGE it's all done with a single button.

[KDSilver]

Unfortunately the same applies to SCH. As long as SCH has a clunky fairy to micromanage and pays tax for Aether heals while Sage has no gimmick and fires oGCD's out for free, it'll be more popular. Potency buffs won't change much. SCH already has a solid toolkit, it's just clunky to play and players don't enjoy that.

I think it's okay for SCH to still have decision making for AF usage.
Especially now that weaving is better.

[Duskane]

I don't think SCH is clunky
its just incredibly lazy in both gameplay and design that you can do just as much as Sage with minimal effort.