Paladin weakest Tank now

[Kaliesto]

Playing as PLD has saved my teams from wipes so many times now, I was literally soloing dungeon bosses.

[Abomination713]

I thought especially entertaining that you felt that Passage of Arms is useless. Not knowing how to use your toolkit doesn't mean that the job in need of buffs.

It's clear you're not a PLD player or you would know that using it is a DPS lose outside of the very specific times when you are allowed to use it with no downsides. If you have to use it during normal content, you have seriously messed up and at that point you are most likely dead if it's your last ditch effort to stay alive.

Would you be opposed to having 1 min shaved off? 7 mins for any skill in this game is ridiculous. I remember the days when skills didn't refresh after a wipe and we had to sit there and wait for the 7 min timer to finished before we pulled the raid boss again.

You people don't seem to understand that the PLD is not special because it can survive. ALL TANKS SURVIVE! If they couldn't, they wouldn't be a tank now would they!? Just because they have 1 or 2 skills you people seem to hold in very high regard (without even maining the class so you don't care) doesn't mean they should get screwed over in their other abilities.

[Lyth]

You do know that PoA doesn't actually have to be channelled, right? The effect lasts for a few seconds after you turn it off, so you can just flash it to get the same benefit. Here's a demonstration.

The timers on invulns may seem long, until you remember that raids have two tanks each with their own invuln. That generally works out to be four to five tankbusters (or mechanics, depending on the application) that you can flat out ignore. Hallowed is particularly good from a progression standpoint because it guarantees your team a bit of reprieve and might give you a few more seconds to see and work-out a new mechanic. Even if you removed 1 minute from Hallowed, you'd make its recast identical to Superbolide, except that Superbolide has a penalty to deal with and Hallowed does not.

Nothing exists in a vacuum. In Stormblood and Shadowbringers, PLD was consistantly one of the most powerful (if not the most powerful) tank, bringing both utility and high damage. This expansion boosts its mitigation and self-sustain to even higher levels. If you left in that damage advantage, we'll be repeating what we've seen in the past two expansions, except worse.

I understand why they massively boosted PLD's damage in Stormblood as an extra safety net just to ensure that players would be attracted to the job. But PLD is more than well established now, as the numbers show. With a myriad of other advantages in other areas, I think it's high time that sword and board eases up a bit on the damage department to let the more aggressive two-handed weapon styles shine in their own way. No, you shouldn't be anywhere close to top dps. You have your niches. It's okay to have a weakness.

[GalaxyEyes]

my opinion as a filthy casual.
Lets forget you have a healer in the party and look at PLD and DRK when they are alone.

DRK is not a good tank for big pulls but is good for mt raid boss. TBN + oblation can make any tankbuster hit 0 (even with some vuln stacks) and that feel so good! And since raid bosses hit way harder, but less frequently you feel safe since you just took 0 dmg and still (probably) at full hp. But when you are surrounded by mobs hitting you (low dmg but frequently), taking 0 dmg for 2 seconds doesnt feel good as there is no other way to regain the HP you are losing while TBN is on cooldown. You can use Abyssal Drain to refil around 30% of you hp, (around 50% if everything crits) but thats every minute... and TBN still on CD. You can use Walking Dead and be damned after 10 seconds.

PLD is good for big pulls but not good for mt. There is no shields on him so you remain on sheltron/ramp/sentinel to mitigate the dmg as much as possible and let the regen/clemency refill your HP after the blow (but the dmg will never be 0, so you may die if you dont pop HG...). But in big pulls you can pop HG and be free for 10 fking seconds! you can pop this in the first pull of the dg and it will probably be up by the first or second pull after the boss! And you can just forget to dps and use clemency 5x thats around 20% of your hp each cast (if it crit 30% [without reqcat]) and let the DPS kill the mobs!

You are a TANK. if you die, then everyone else dies.

Thats how *i see* PLD and DRK, extreme opposites. One mitigates through shield (DRK), the other through healings (PLD). One has to preemptively mitigate dmg (DRK, through shield) and another has to mitigate after the dmg (PLD, through healings).
(i wont talk about WAR... he is an alien. nor GNB.)

I dont fking care if PLD is 10% lower on dps mark. I could still do both ex-trials in EW as a PLD, with any party comp.
"ooo but the next savag-" IF paladin is rendered useless over all other tanks (which is ridiculous to even think about it.) such as 'not enough dmg to beat dps check BECAUSE of PLD' or 'not enough mitigation to tank swap' (or wtv bs...) then i would enrage on SE to buff the class or nerf something. But as it is right now is nice and acceptable.

I do have some complaints in all the tanks, some boring stuff that make me wanna punch a spike wall. But thats balanced with the good stuff that almost makes me C**.
Thats all i have to say. Change my mind.

[Kalaam]

That's a good writeup, though I would point out that DRL mitigates through A shield singuler, and PLD through healingS plural, since PLD has several sources of healing now.

[Navnav]

I'm also curious to see if that's what Square Enix intends too in part to distinguish between the tanks.

PLD is a very low risk tank to play 82+ with additional 15% Mitigation for 1st 4s and constant HOTs for Holy Sheltron, Heals on Holy Spirit/Circle later and still has a Clemency 1000 Potency Heal on Demand for 2000 Mana that still only takes 1 GCD, it's like a sturdy bedrock tank that lets you cheese fights through sheer healing capability and super forgiving of mistakes.

It possesses Hallowed Ground a true invulnerability.

Even Passage of Arms can be used as a last resort mitigation CD for Tank Busters bc of the 100% Block.

And the only con is it just deals little bit less damage at this time at level 90. That's not a bad deal at all.

bUt TaNkS sHoUlDn/T bE tAnKy, tHeY mUsT dO daMaRgE

[Navnav]

People here are tripping to high kindom come. A tanks main purpose is its survivability in any situation. That should be what you are looking for first in a tank, not damage. You are able to clear ANYTHING with what square gives you. So many of you sound like spoiled entitled brats to be quite honest. If I was square I would just leave you to suffer in silence, not that you'll will ever stop complaining your tank don't do as much dps as your black mage.

The opinions on this forum is absolutely insane, I honestly have no words...

[ForteNightshade]

You dudes can't have your cake and eat it too. The only thing DRK got was dps and at the very last minute from the look of things judging by the tooltip info/leaks. You got a fancy rework, a ton more surv and fun beyond your opener/burst.

DPS comes and go with every patch. 50 potency here or there and its poof. Very little can be taken what was given to PLD.

The problem is in a game centered around DPS, nothing else matters. PLD is popular now because it's the new expansion's poster boy. Come Savage, it'll entirely drop off without some buffs. It simply cannot compete with the other tanks in a damage centric meta. It's why Warrior's insane self-sustain wasn't viewed as highly in ShB. If it doesn't result in more DPS opportunity for the healers, it may as well not exist.

Don't get me wrong. PLD should be the weakest tank because of it's flexibility in terms of downtime and utility, just not by this much. Frankly, I think they could shave off a very small amount from DRK, slap it on PLD and call it a day.

[Undeadfire]

People here are tripping to high kindom come. A tanks main purpose is its survivability in any situation. That should be what you are looking for first in a tank, not damage. You are able to clear ANYTHING with what square gives you. So many of you sound like spoiled entitled brats to be quite honest. If I was square I would just leave you to suffer in silence, not that you'll will ever stop complaining your tank don't do as much dps as your black mage.

The opinions on this forum is absolutely insane, I honestly have no words...

Sorry man, the game is based around DPS centric, tanks that have the stronger DPS combinations are always going to favoured over the others, same for Healers/DPS.

This formula started many years ago and SE have continued sticking to it. Power mitigation jobs are never gonna be picked over tanks having a powerhouse of DPS except for progging a first clear.

[jadeblade]

People here are tripping to high kindom come. A tanks main purpose is its survivability in any situation. That should be what you are looking for first in a tank, not damage. You are able to clear ANYTHING with what square gives you. So many of you sound like spoiled entitled brats to be quite honest. If I was square I would just leave you to suffer in silence, not that you'll will ever stop complaining your tank don't do as much dps as your black mage.

The opinions on this forum is absolutely insane, I honestly have no words...

A warrior that doesn’t want PLD to get buffs how typical.

You do understand in term is self sustain WAR is above PLD and they are close to DRK DPS. I just want us to be close to warrior in term of DPS I don’t mind being the fourth tanks dps , I just want not the gapping hole we see right now between WAR and PLD. Yes we bring some niche raid untility but the dps trade off is insane ,Certainly I don’t want us to be top tank DPS just make us decent.