Just a interesting artcile about FFXI (and XIV)

[Rydin]

Beastmaster was intended to be a solo job, primarily. I'll have you know that just for fun, I made a group of RDM BRD BST BST PUP PUP once versus Greater Colibri. We had a blast. It's just the fact that, like it's been so many times now, people are lazy and rely on the cookie-cutter far too much.

honestly if one party make up is way easier... people are going to gravitate towards that and shun the other classes
Knowing that people aren't going to change... the fights could be made to encourage more varied groupings of classes

[Xoo]

honestly if one party make up is way easier... people are going to gravitate towards that and shun the other classes
Knowing that people aren't going to change... the fights could be made to encourage more varied groupings of classes

How is SE and/or design responsible for what you and others simply negate to do? You two both seem like the victims of a vicious cycle and train of thought: I got quick invites on Samurai, (because everyone thinks it's the best in all situations), and slow to non-existent invites on other jobs, thereby re-inforcing your belief that the jobs are imbalanced.

[Benediction]

How is SE and/or design responsible for what you and others simply negate to do? You two both seem like the victims of a vicious cycle and train of thought: I got quick invites on Samurai, (because everyone thinks it's the best in all situations), and slow to non-existent invites on other jobs, thereby re-inforcing your belief that the jobs are imbalanced.

lol sure it might be reinforced that way, but how many times have you been in a party (that you didn't form) and undesirable job vs desirable job were seeking and the leader (obviously) picked the diserable job? Your scope of reference seem to be only on what you experienced through forming parties, rather than step back and see the overall system.

[ChiefCurrahee]

Originally Posted by Xoo
Beastmaster was intended to be a solo job, primarily. I'll have you know that just for fun, I made a group of RDM BRD BST BST PUP PUP once versus Greater Colibri. We had a blast. It's just the fact that, like it's been so many times now, people are lazy and rely on the cookie-cutter far too much.

honestly if one party make up is way easier... people are going to gravitate towards that and shun the other classes
Knowing that people aren't going to change... the fights could be made to encourage more varied groupings of classes

you mean kinda like how Ifrit is Gla con con thm thm thm thm thm or moogle is gla con con thm arc arc arc arc ?

Xoo you need to take a step back at look at how the player base at large operates. Player will choose the path of least resistance and stick with it in what ever they do.

Can Ifrit be defeated with a variety of set ups? Yep. is it easier? Nope. Are people open to it? mmm.... Not as much as you think. How long would you stay in an Ifrit PT if you set up was Gla Con Con Pgl Lnc Mar Arc Thm and it was taking 20+ mins to kill, or was a very hairy fight? 2/3 fiights tops?

It was the same in XI. And just so you know, I just didn;t sit aroudn in Jeuno waiting for an invite to come my way. I would actively recruit for parties. In fact the majority of my progressiion came from me forming my own parties. It was RARE that i would get an invite as a drg. And of course i'm talkign about the time before ToAU, and merit parties. I'm talkign about CoP and prior.

So you can chalk it up to players being lazy if you want, but there are things SE can do to balance the content to the classes.

for example. It's not that melee are poor performers in damage output on ifrit. It's the fact that in order for melee to be within attack range they are also in sear range and get hit often by it. then the fact that to keep up damage output combos are needed but it becomes too dangerous to perform those combos after a certain point on ifrit.

The solution: ranged attackers with high damage potential without the need of positional combos. Consequently this is the very reason why Arc is prefered over melee in moogle figth as well.

Design flaw or player laziness? I'm leaning more toward design flaw.

[Xoo]

honestly if one party make up is way easier... people are going to gravitate towards that and shun the other classes
Knowing that people aren't going to change... the fights could be made to encourage more varied groupings of classes

Flying all the way back to page 4, let me say this.

I believe not many groups ever strayed from the norm because:

A. Few people fully understand the capabilities of all the jobs.
B. Even fewer people can form a group that is aimed at the target's weakness.
C. Fewer still don't want to lead parties.
D. Not many are willing to go out on a guinea-pig party.
E. Word gets around fast as to what produces the biggest numbers, and proven once, becomes forever instilled as just awesome enough to inhibit further experimentation.

I've honestly been through some really retarded situations. Take for instance stun-pulling Imps (Imps again!) with BLM. I can't remember exactly why I was doing this, but I was doing it to try and alleviate the fact that no other job in the party was fit to do it. It wasn't the fastest EXP I've ever seen, but it wasn't at all bad either. Nobody left or complained because of it.

(Remembered why I was doing it! I didn't like soloing, and Black Mage wasn't highly regarded on imps, so I found a way to make myself useful - Pull, Rest MP, Firaga III?, Pull.)