So how is whm doing?

[QooEr]

Counterquestion. Do you think other healers are unplayable because they have no Thin air to recover with from after death?

Ofc i cast something else but do you think the 1200 MP i save on Casting Glare & Dia (1600mp if it wasnt for that 1 rez i mentioned), while Bene, Tetra & assize heal the party, really make a difference considering pressing Lucid dreaming every 60s restores 3850mp and Lilly spells cost 0.
Previous Thin air only made sense if you were in dire need for 4 GCD heals. Which honestly never comes up and if it comes up... well we got liturgy of the Bell now. Thin Air was always a Rez button to me, but now the occasional medica 2 is also gonna be free. Instead of 4 free GCD heals we have 2 now and more flexible. I really don't see the problem.
Tl;dr start pressing Lucid. It's bad MP design but it works.

it does make a difference. everyone else gets lucid, and every other healer is *mp positive* with no piety, while whm is mp negative.

i can die 3 times in a fight as astro and i can have mp for the rest of the fight. whm will run out of mp after some minutes, unless you just stop casting for a while

[RinaShinomiya]

it does make a difference. everyone else gets lucid, and every other healer is *mp positive* with no piety, while whm is mp negative.

i can die 3 times in a fight as astro and i can have mp for the rest of the fight. whm will run out of mp after some minutes, unless you just stop casting for a while

Yeah But Astro is also hillariously overtuned rn, having an access to essentially 2 lucid dreams while restoring 5% MP with each draw is the funniest MP economy I've ever seen.

SCH & SGE recover 20%/21% MP every 60s and WHM can get 1 GCD heal for free every 60s now, for the sake of simplicity lets say medica 2 which costs 10% mp (but it can be a free Rez which is 24% MP) and Assize restores 5%. Hence why i said at best you'll get Assize back to 10% MP regeneration (or what I'd prefer, assize being on a 30s cooldown). They nerfed Thin air so that WHM's MP economy is in line with other healers. Though i have no clue what they were thinking with Astrologian.

[Silver-Strider]

Yeah But Astro is also hillariously overtuned rn, having an access to essentially 2 lucid dreams while restoring 5% MP with each draw is the funniest MP economy I've ever seen.

SCH & SGE recover 20%/21% MP every 60s and WHM can get 1 GCD heal for free every 60s now, for the sake of simplicity lets say medica 2 which costs 10% mp (but it can be a free Rez which is 24% MP) and Assize restores 5%. Hence why i said at best you'll get Assize back to 10% MP regeneration (or what I'd prefer, assize being on a 30s cooldown). They nerfed Thin air so that WHM's MP economy is in line with other healers. Though i have no clue what they were thinking with Astrologian.

The problem with that though is that, unlike the other healers, WHM's oGCD toolkit is lacking considerably. While every other healer has a plethora of oGCD to offset the drain on their MP, WHM has all of 4 skills to try and do the same, the majority of which are on much longer CDs than anything that the other healers have to deal with. Thin Air countered this just by removing the MP cost of skills but now that it's limited to such an extent and no real additions to its oGCD toolkit (Lilybell on a 3 minute CD kills virtually any chance the skill had) WHM is much worse off than just a simple 5% MP economy

[RinaShinomiya]

The problem with that though is that, unlike the other healers, WHM's oGCD toolkit is lacking considerably. While every other healer has a plethora of oGCD to offset the drain on their MP, WHM has all of 4 skills to try and so the same, the majority of which are on much longer CDs than anything that the other healers have to deal with. Thin Air countered this just by removing the MP cost of skills but now that it's limited to such an extent and no real additions to its oGCD toolkit (Lilybell on a 3 minute CD kills virtually any chance the skill had) WHM is much worse off than just a simple 5% MP economy

What you say is true but again. I never had MP issues while ignoring Thin air and just using it for a free rez (which someone else already pointed out in this thread, usually doesnt come up often) so i really don't see the problem. Sorry.
I know we lose lilies on death but if you don't die WHM just doesn't have MP issues period. I'd be great if we kept lilies upon death. Losing Blood Lily is punishment enough.

[Isharis]

What you say is true but again. I never had MP issues while ignoring Thin air and just using it for a free rez (which someone else already pointed out in this thread, usually doesnt come up often) so i really don't see the problem. Sorry.

When I saw the changes made to Thin Air, I was like, oh right, that's a thing. I honestly never used Thin Air the entire ShB xpac; literally forgot to put it on my hotbar and never used it the old way. I also rarely had mana problems, aside from dying with lucid on cooldown. I carry ether for those occasions. If I don't die, and i'm using lucid semi-regularly, not even on cooldown, I never really had issues. Starting using it for Endwalker, and its pretty handy.

Seems like half of the kit costs no mana at all now. Most, if not all, of the instant casts we've gotten from 51+ have been 0 mp with a cd. If you're running out of mana without dying, you might be neglecting your cooldowns, or your party is simply failing too many mechanics. If you didn't run out under those circumstances, then it'd be pointless to even have mana.