So how is whm doing?

[Risvertasashi]

Same old, same old.
If anything, I feel like I really have to keep an eye on my mana when spamming stone, which was never an issue before.

I think this is low key what people miss when they say "But medica is cheaper now!"

The big MP consumer was stone/glare. At least personally, I used thin air with PoM and a bunch of glares when raiding to save MP.

New thin air might be great for raising, but, raising is situational and you can't do the above anymore....

[KDSilver]

Buff Misery to 930 pot upon learning Glare III, put 2 charges of Assize and reduce Lilybell CD (and its potency).
It should be a great start.

[Silver-Strider]

the mp economy on whm is atrocious. dying once at any point is unrecoverable unless you have loads of piety melded



meanwhile, every other healer is mp positive without amy piety

I had a WHM during the 1st level 90 dungeon that died during the last boss. The SMN rezzed them and you could tell they were struggling with MP, trying to salvage the run as best they could but the PLD pretty much had to play back-up healer from that point and it was just awful.

[Silver-Strider]

Buff Misery to 930 pot upon learning Glare III, put 2 charges of Assize and reduce Lilybell CD (and its potency).
It should be a great start.

Lilybell is so underwhelming that it could be a 90s CD and still wouldn't help

[Synoptic]

At level 80, I was 1 shotting a lvl 50 mob in the open world with my dot before the squish.
Now at 90, I do less than half of it's hp.
"you will not feel a difference after the squish" they said in the live letter....
Thank you square enix. Thank you very much. /sarcasm

Never had mana issues or lacks of heal potency though.
If you have to heal A LOT (and therefor have mana issues), it means your party members suck at doing mechs. Not your fault.
Liturgy is OP if you know how to use it.

[Allegor]

At level 80, I was 1 shotting a lvl 50 mob in the open world with my dot before the squish.
Now at 90, I do less than half of it's hp.
"you will not feel a difference after the squish" they said in the live letter....
Thank you square enix. Thank you very much. /sarcasm

Never had mana issues or lacks of heal potency though.
If you have to heal A LOT (and therefor have mana issues), it means your party members suck at doing mechs. Not your fault.
Liturgy is OP if you know how to use it.

To be fair, if it's on WHM, that's not [entirely] because of the stat squish. Aero/Dia's initial damage was literally cut in half from 120 to 60 potency

[LuciaMirain]

While Ive had no trouble healing in dungeons as WHM at all through lvl 80-90 I will ask for some things:

Bring thin air back as it was. The two stacks are akward and spent on glares at this point and thin air was a saving grace if the WHM died to be able to get up and heal themself and others. Now if WHM die, we are basically screwed (unless we have a WAR lol)

The bell needs to have a shorter cooldown and be triggered by anyone in the party taking damage. For the lols yesterday I took it out in a dungeon run and STOOD IN AN AOE to trigger it....Its use is so niche and its cooldown so long that it becomes a pointless thing to use in anything but some few instances. It is pretty though, and the healwaves feel satisfying when triggered.

Buff misery, buff glare.

If you will not revert thin air then make assize give more mp back when used. It is ridic that as AST I can spam and spam and be full mp while WHM suddenly is at half mp during the same amount of time for simply using glare but OH LET ME USE MY TWO STACKS OF THIN AIR.....

honestly.....what the hell.

[Ilyrian]

Having done both AST and WHM to 90 now there is absolutely nothing a WHM can bring now that an AST can't do better. Currently. Things could change - perhaps there will be a fight where everyone explodes if you don't cast Liturgy?

The only reason to play one now is muscle memory or you like the look of Holy over Gravity.

Liturgy needs a rework- mana needs looking at and Misery needs to be buffed through the roof.

I hope I'm missing something here - the sky may not be falling but it does kind of feel like it.

[FeliciaTheSecond]

Not quite to 90 yet but I just took a look at Sage's toolkit and I think I might have found a new main. Which is crazy because I've been playing White Mage since the start of this game. At any rate WHM does seem like more of the same at this point though I'm only @85. I'd suggest everything lilly-related to come off the GCD and give us a dps option for lilly stacks. If we had that I might actually use them in combat instead of throwing them away inbetween pulls for Misery. And please give us back Aero 3. It is so boring to dps on WHM now. 2-3 expansions ago we had fluid aura, aero 3 and cleric stance. dps'ing as a WHM was like an elegant dance and those that could weave dps and healing were few and far between. Now all healer dps boils down to is throw up your DoT and spam your nuke. Oh, spam your AoE if > three mobs. Boring.

[CrimsonGunner]

my feeling on whm, its stayed the same however it will be dead in raids if no mp management tool be buffed/added/changed to him.
your mp is barely sustainable if u rapidly heal so during progs whm will be the worse option to take especially since lucid dreaming available to every healer and once for farming you really wont need whm cause u have the other pure healer ast add additional stuff to the run such as buffs and including a stacked shield so you will only see whm in casual content but savage/ultimate whm wont see the light of day right now.