ENDWALKER SPOILERS: Story and side story content going forward

[JeanneOrnitier]

Something I noticed about the post credits raid tease

Elidibus is wearing the white robes so he should be Emissary (plus they referenced the short story with Azem and the grapes, and he was already Elidibus in that too) but he has a generic white mask instead of his red Convocation one. I wonder what's up.

[QT_Melon]

Something I noticed about the post credits raid tease

Elidibus is wearing the white robes so he should be Emissary (plus they referenced the short story with Azem and the grapes, and he was already Elidibus in that too) but he has a generic white mask instead of his red Convocation one. I wonder what's up.

My thoughts...

The red mask seems to be occurring when Elidibus was returned as the primal version, I don't think it was ever established that he wore it during his time there?



https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/fi...f_Fourteen.jpg

[JeanneOrnitier]

My thoughts...

The red mask seems to be occurring when Elidibus was returned as the primal version, I don't think it was ever established that he wore it during his time there?



https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/fi...f_Fourteen.jpg

well, 10char

The scene that image is from is from Elidibus's point of view, so of course he wouldn't be in it the image himself. If you count there's only 13 there.

I suppose technically you're right that we haven't seen Ancient Elidibus with a red mask, but it would be odd if he was the only one who didn't, and his ghost has one.

[QT_Melon]

well, 10char

The scene that image is from is from Elidibus's point of view, so of course he wouldn't be in it the image himself. If you count there's only 13 there.

I suppose technically you're right that we haven't seen Ancient Elidibus with a red mask, but it would be odd if he was the only one who didn't, and his ghost has one.

Hmm ok, but that's what I was trying to explain.

It could be the red mask formed AFTER he left Zodiak as a "primal" himself. So it would make sense his ghost form also had it. I mean we really didn't see "REAL" Emet in the trial just fuzzy Ancient one. We don't really see their "pure" selves as shades/ghosts

Ascian dress is different from Ancient One dress as well

[Alenore]

Hmm ok, but that's what I was trying to explain.

It could be the red mask formed AFTER he left Zodiak as a "primal" himself. So it would make sense his ghost form also had it. I mean we really didn't see "REAL" Emet in the trial just fuzzy Ancient one. We don't really see their "pure" selves as shades/ghosts

Ascian dress is different from Ancient One dress as well

But........

We do know about the red masks before Zodiark: Emet literally wears one in Elpis. Considering every convocation member we've seen seemed to have red masks, it stands to reason the seat of Elidibus did too, even pre-Zodiark.
So that would suggest it's an Elidibus who either gave up the seat, or before he took the seat (which poses continuity problem, about the grapes!).

[QT_Melon]

But........

We do know about the red masks before Zodiark: Emet literally wears one in Elpis. Considering every convocation member we've seen seemed to have red masks, it stands to reason the seat of Elidibus did too, even pre-Zodiark.
So that would suggest it's an Elidibus who either gave up the seat, or before he took the seat (which poses continuity problem, about the grapes!).

Ahh yeah. That did happen didn't it

Upon reading back

https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes.../#sidestory_07 it does say in the side story about Elidibus actually donning his red mask

Though it could be possible the scene was well before the volcano incident? Elpis didn't just suddenly exist. The scene regarding Pandimonium is about regarding his FIRST meeting with the WoL so I think it predates.

This scene is likely talking about his first meeting with the WoL - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=05Dsij325HI&t=340s

Pandemonium is going to likely be about our first meeting with Elidibus - probably helping fill in the memories we didn't get to see in Shadowbringers

And again here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Yt6nezMGBA

[Cleretic]

M'naago custom delivery is sort of "Ala Mhigo Restoration" story.

And the precursor to the Ishgard restoration is the Doman Restoration, which was also in Stormblood.

[MirronTulaxia]

I’m hoping the Ea get a beast tribe segment, I would love to know more about them. I feel the fact they have hostile versions of themselves might help that be a thing, but who knows.

Given the mentions for Corvos I could see that as a post game thing like Bozja or just building up for an expansion thing. It feels more like a Bozja though, unless they really want to go all in on it, which the potential is there.

For trials nothing stands out as an easy thing barring maybe alien stuff, but it’s not like the trial raids for the last two expansions were super obvious until they happened. For FFs we have a fair number of options still to explore so if it’s reference they could use a bunch that haven’t had that much focus. The idea of fighting a bunch of Ascians to address the ones still out there has some merit, it’s kind of weird that they just… poofed without any real explanation.

Raids should be fun though. Curious what they’ll do with Pandemonium, I kind of had different expectations, and the Twelve are just the right number for a Raid so I’m expecting that.

[Alenore]

Ahh yeah. That did happen didn't it

Upon reading back

https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes.../#sidestory_07 it does say in the side story about Elidibus actually donning his red mask

Though it could be possible the scene was well before the volcano incident? Elpis didn't just suddenly exist. The scene regarding Pandimonium is about regarding his FIRST meeting with the WoL so I think it predates.

This scene is likely talking about his first meeting with the WoL - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=05Dsij325HI&t=340s

Pandemonium is going to likely be about our first meeting with Elidibus - probably helping fill in the memories we didn't get to see in Shadowbringers

And again here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Yt6nezMGBA

10chars heh

I'm pretty sure the volcano incident has been mentioned during a quest, though.

[QT_Melon]

10chars heh

I'm pretty sure the volcano incident has been mentioned during a quest, though.

Yes it was...but not what I was getting at...

The final cutscene regarding Pandemonium from what I'm looking at predates, OUR time travel meeting with Emet and company. Elidibus not wearing red mask in that cutscene is probably before he took leadership and is regarding our time and likely influence into why he became leader of the 14. I am trying to explain the perceived Paradox. So I think more time travel hijinks may be in way?