Some Sage Discussion

[AnotherPerson]

Personally, in regards to Addersgall, what I would like to see is that if you are in battle, the gauge keeps filling if you are at 3 (if you are not in battle and you have 3, it stops filling, and if you aren't at 3, it fills regardless of battle state). If it fills and you still are at 3 Addersgall, you just get the mp Regen and the gauge empties.

Doesn't completely punish you if you don't need healing, but you still actively use it only if you want healing.

Imo the addersgall replenishing early makes me use Kerachole earlier than the rest of my toolkit. If I need more mitigation, I'd use Holos or rotate after Kerachole expires with Taurochole. I actually like that aspect about Sages the most.

Normally for Scholars, they'd use Recitation + Excog, or just throw up an Excog if they're saving Excog for Indom since Aetherflow runs on a different resource generation timer.
For Sage, I'm currently using Kerachole first, to both slow damage and to keep addersgall regenerating within the next 20 seconds. Then if I need to use 2-3 addersgall for quick burst healing succession, I can immediately pop Rizomata afterwards. The order of Sage's toolkit works slightly different and I like that because it keeps a very steady and rhythmic healing pace going.

[Seraphor]

It's only "involved" and a dps gain if you can preshield during downtime, like tank still pulling and every mob already has a dot or before boss pull/ the boss is untargetable and has an add phase later.
Even than it's not a dps gain single target because you get Toxikon at 66, same potency as Dosis until 72, lower potency until 82 when it becomes dps neutral again - if accumulated during downtime.

Rotating EDia and Toxikon in big pulls is a huge dps loss over just spamming Dyskrasia and firing Phlegmas. If a tank cannot be kept alive through big pulls despite using all oGCDs available, it's a slight dps return but never the way to go.
It's a last resort for papertanks or people with multiple vuln stacks about to eat an aoe, not a great strategy and inferior in terms of efficiency.

Eukrasian Diagnosis pre-pull while running to prep you a free Toxikon and start the tank off mitigated.

Soteria once the shield has popped for upkeep.

Tauro/Kera(whichever is the AoE) serves as mainenance mitigation, the other (single target) once the first runs out and the tank has lost some HP.

Haima if the damage is still coming in heavy.
Then your single target addersgall heal as necessary.

If it goes south, Physis > Zoe > Diagnosis spam (or Pneuma if available)

This gets me through pretty much every big pull.

[Hazama999]

Coming off of having mained DNC in Shadowbringers lemme just say..... I wish Icarus was on a much shorter cooldown, had multiple charges, and didn't require a target.
Yes, I've been spoiled by En Avant. What can I say, it feels pretty damn good to zip zap around...

...Alright, keep the targeting, but at least give the damn thing more charges and/or reduce its cooldown. Its inclusion, plus the fact that you have to be in melee range for phlegma, gives sage a more... Idk, kinetic feel, something that isn't too common on healers (though scholar does run pretty fast now, I guess).

Aside from that, yeah, I have to say addersting as a mechanic feels rather bland. The fact that it relies on E. Diagnosis and E. Diagnosis only also takes away from it.

[Allegor]

Minor spoiler, but relevant for sage:

I just did the quest where you play as Alphy, and despite his Toxicon being labeled as a spell, it plays as an ogcd, and it flows so much better...

[nelothi]

I disagree. While in lower level dungeons you will see that Kardia more or less mimics the SCH pet fairy in terms of healing.

It is even better than Embrace since we can choose who gets Kardia. SCH could at one time force their fairy to heal a specific person, but this function no longer exists.

Kardia is a noticeable thing in dungeons to some extent, yes.
Kardia is not noticable in trials right now, we will have to see how the raids turn out.
As it stands, I just feel like sages could have a better job identity than "Scholar with a different weapon and no crit buff". It just really feels to me that square struggles to make Jobs sufficiently different in terms of play style.

Healing over time Kardia does not make sense either because you could constantly refresh the regen dot while spamming DPS abilities, and regen abilities like dots are not meant to be needlessly overwritten and is a total DPS/HPS loss.

I didnt say anything about turning kardia into a HoT.
My idea was to take the hot off of Enhanced Kerachole and instead make it apply kardia to all party members for 15 seconds. this would effectively be a HoT, but requires player interaction. I do realize how overpowered this would be, they would have to make this do less healing than the normal kardia effects. i just think it would be more engaging.

I think Sage DPS is very involved.

- DPS for every healer is important and uninvolved. this isnt just a sage thing, and i understand that some players might be okay with this, but i find it... lacking. this is just my opinion.

as it is right now, you spam Dosis, and use Phlegma so it doesnt cap. that is it.
it is a DPS loss to ever fish for addersting stacks.

Consider this.

At level 70, you can spam the single target shield on multiple people in a party and gain one of the DPS triggers to throw off a Toxikon. This means that if you can strategize enough by shielding specific people BEFORE they take damage you not only protect them but gain a DPS boost by doing so. This is LOADS better than SCH 'Broil spam'

this isnt how healing in FF works.. at all.
Everything youre saying here leads to a huge dps loss.
Toxicon is not a potency increase
Dosis does not have a cast time longer than the GCD
Eukrasian Diagnosis costs more mana than dosis.

unless your fighting multiple enemies, toxicon is never a gain unless youre shielding when you otherwise couldnt have been doing damage for that GCD.

I love Sage. It is far more involved than SCH and reminds me of the 2.x/3.x days of shield healing. I generally design healer hotbars the same as other healing bars, but Sage is designed more as a DPS which is exciting.

its only 3 buttons. 1 of which you almost never use.

[nelothi]

Minor spoiler, but relevant for sage:

I just did the quest where you play as Alphy, and despite his Toxicon being labeled as a spell, it plays as an ogcd, and it flows so much better...

I made this comment to my FC when i was doing it last night

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

Minor spoiler, but relevant for sage:

I just did the quest where you play as Alphy, and despite his Toxicon being labeled as a spell, it plays as an ogcd, and it flows so much better...

I am more bothered that they lock Dosis on [4] hotkey instead of [1]. My muscle memory instinctively spams [1] "Diagnosis" and there I wonder why am I not dealing any damage.

[Brightshadow]

I am really enjoying Sage, but I wish it had more ways of augmenting its abilities and maintain DPS.

1.) Give is an ability that makes our Kardia into an AOE temporarily 15-20s.
2.) Give us an ability that puts us in a Eukrasian trance for 10-15s allowing us to spam Eukrasian versions of spells for the duration of the effect.
3.) Separate Sage DOT into its own unique button and make the Eukrasian version an AOE dot but with lower potency, lower potency by 50~100.
4.) Eukrasian Dosis is now an instant cast attack since the DoT is removed.
5.) Toxicon add an addition effect: Applies stacks of damage up to only the Sage of 5% for each stack of Toxicon used. Duration 6s per Toxicon for a maximum of 15% damage up and 18s duration max.

[Rakith]

Hi, question regarding Kardia.
If i deal damage to multiple targets (pneuma, phlegma or dyskrasia), is my healing via Kardia proportional to the number of targets i hit (170 × X) ? Or does it stick to 170 potency whatever the number of targets ? Thanks

[NobleWinter]

It's always 170 potency for using a dps skill. It doesn't scale in aoe situations.