Summoner is a Final Fantasy 14 summoner (not a warlock wow clone)

[rewd]

Looks good. At last. I don't know what lack of depth is to some people, but if it is dealing with an unresponsive pet AI (remember Garuda's contagion? I do, and I don't miss it), Egi Assaults ghosting, Demis ghosting autoattacks or every fight requiring you to use the place command before pulling not to lose any uptime on Ifrit Egi? If that's the lack of depth we lack now I'm happy it is gone.

Some people calling this SMN braindead and not realizing there's actually quite a lot of room for optimization here. Ruby Ifrit is mostly the big offender in this rotation and the one that can mostly mess your flow, where you place him actually matters, a lot.

Not to mention, the new SMN can be very abusive with phase transitions because you are not required to use all the spells of a primal to jump onto another one, so say if you know there's a downtime coming you can go utterly wild with the 3 big attacks and skip many of the smallest ones. This screams flexibility to me, and when a job is flexible, it means it has a lot of room for optimization. So pretty much the opposite of what a lot of people are claiming here about "lack of depth".

From what I've noticed, it seems like single target Titan > Garuda > Ifrit but in AoE, funnily enough, it seems like Ifrit > Garuda > Titan.

The job requires more thought than you think, the difference is that optimizing it no longer requires dealing with extremely non-intuitive and glitchy commands/spells.

We still have ghosting and delays. If knowing when you can afford a long hardcast and one GCD in melee range is "a lot of optimization" then I don't even want to think about how difficult Black Mage and Red Mage are. You probably need a IQ so high it is not available to humans, I believe.

[zcrash970]

We still have ghosting and delays. If knowing when you can afford a long hardcast and one GCD in melee range is "a lot of optimization" then I don't even want to think about how difficult Black Mage and Red Mage are. You probably need a IQ so high it is not available to humans, I believe.

That's what I think. Like if this requires thinking, I can't imagine the brain power it takes for some other jobs. Reaper must be unplayable because you have to keep track of Death's Design or heavens a BLM having to think on when he should use his instant cast spells

[CKNovel]

It really doesn't. What it boils down to is if you cant be in melee range don't use ifrit. If the target moving, don't use Garuda. Blow your big attacks if boss becomes un targetable anda demi will be off cooldown. That's not thinking, that's just not being an idiot

That's like all jobs problems. Except casting/melee phase don't apply to all jobs, it's one of the other except for Phys.Ranged.
RDM has the same problems, SGE has the same problems (Phlegma has a short range of 6y).

That's like saying "This gun is different, you have to aim!"

[Gallus]

Opinions right? I think the job is enjoyable, and while perhaps not the most complex thing in the world, it's still thrilling and entertaining to play (for me it surely is).

If people really end up hating this SMN and it's not just a vocal minority, there's always the chance they do some big changes in the future. Remember what happened with BRD and minuet? They literally got rid of BRD hardcasts from HW to SB.

At the end of the day all they want to do is make the rotation appealing for as much people as possible, but expecting everybody to like it is impossible.

I think it'd be cool though if people kept this civil.

[rewd]

Opinions right? I think the job is enjoyable, and while perhaps not the most complex thing in the world, it's still thrilling and entertaining to play (for me it surely is).

If people really end up hating this SMN and it's not just a vocal minority, there's always the chance they do some big changes in the future. Remember what happened with BRD and minuet? They literally got rid of BRD hardcasts from HW to SB.

At the end of the day all they want to do is make the rotation appealing for as much people as possible, but expecting everybody to like it is impossible.

I think it'd be cool though if people kept this civil.

Disagreeing with someone doesn't mean not keeping it civil. Opinions can also be wrong. I can say that my opinion is that MCH offers the biggest room for optimization, but I'd be objectively wrong.

No one said that you can't enjoy new SMN, because - no offense - I think no one cares. We were talking about about optimization (a topic you introduced) and people replied. If you can't handle it, the problem is just yours.

[zcrash970]

Opinions right? I think the job is enjoyable, and while perhaps not the most complex thing in the world, it's still thrilling and entertaining to play (for me it surely is).

If people really end up hating this SMN and it's not just a vocal minority, there's always the chance they do some big changes in the future. Remember what happened with BRD and minuet? They literally got rid of BRD hardcasts from HW to SB.

At the end of the day all they want to do is make the rotation appealing for as much people as possible, but expecting everybody to like it is impossible.

I think it'd be cool though if people kept this civil.

Lol with how vocal dark knights mains are, I doubt any change will be made. If anything SE will dig in their heels and pretend none of the issues exist

[CKNovel]

Lol with how vocal dark knights mains are, I doubt any change will be made. If anything SE will dig in their heels and pretend none of the issues exist

Even the japanese forum that can let a topic sink for months are getting quite the activity.
Also, the community that asks for hard 4-man content again and again but still nothing.

There is a lot of requests that have been left unanswered, healers asking for more DPS buttons, everyone asking for a Living Dead rework...

[zcrash970]

Even the japanese forum that can let a topic sink for months are getting quite the activity.
Also, the community that asks for hard 4-man content again and again but still nothing.

There is a lot of requests that have been left unanswered, healers asking for more DPS buttons, everyone asking for a Living Dead rework...

Oh I'm aware. I can read some of the Japanese forums and I know they are just as pissed as we are about some things.

According to my static mate who is fluent, they aren't 100% sold on new smn yet either

[Gallus]

Disagreeing with someone doesn't mean not keeping it civil. Opinions can also be wrong. I can say that my opinion is that MCH offers the biggest room for optimization, but I'd be objectively wrong.

No one said that you can't enjoy new SMN, because - no offense - I think no one cares. We were talking about about optimization (a topic you introduced) and people replied. If you can't handle it, the problem is just yours.

I cannot handle others having a different opinion :P? Yet you are the one throwing "your IQ must be pitifully low if you think X is hard to play" or "nobody cares about you enjoying SMN" sort of replies o.O. You have a strange understanding of being civil , may god have mercy upon the souls of your close friends/relatives.

[Raikai]

I'm back here, finally nearly lv90, and now with all of the kit's functionalities...

Now I'm sure that I do really stand for a "cosmetification" of the basic Summon Carbuncle spell... As it stands, it only serves as a hindrance that impedes you to cast your personal (shield) and group (dmg buff) utilities when it's away... And surprisingly, it's away during a lot of times when you summon the other stuff.

There's nearly nothing of a pet (mechanics) in it anymore, they should at least unlink it from the mechanics of the job... A hindrance that is designed just as an obstacle to use basic tools is defnitely not interesting or engaging.