Summoner is a Final Fantasy 14 summoner (not a warlock wow clone)

[zcrash970]

1. Bahamut/phoenix cd is based on on spell speed and not a strict 60cd. This allows both to drift out of 60sec and 120 buff windows that a party will provide

2. This even applies to our own buff, Searing Light. We will have to delay bahamut or delay the CD or we are waiting on both.

3. This points out the fault of carby. It hinders us severally. After every summon it returns to us so we need to position it every time we want to use searing light. Which can potentially delay our cd because carby is slow. As well depending on what summon you are using can be hetic to place carby

4. Phoenix is a dps loss for flavor and utility you cannot use when you need to

5. Ifrit design is weak for no reason and should technically be the strongest since we have to get it into melee range and two long casts. We are going to have to reserve swiftcast for this.

6. Summon animations can obscure visual mechanics.

7. Ruin 4 is very awkward and easily forgettable. It serves no point in our rotation outside of a pointless extra mobility option.

8. We have a ton of instant cast but nothing to fill the gap with. You get two festers that are immediately burned off in bahamut/phoenix

I can go on further about the leveling process and gameplay of the class if needed but I wanted to keep it focused on lvl90 issues. This is also precursory because I haven't really done my own math

The job requires more thought than you think, the difference is that optimizing it no longer requires dealing with extremely non-intuitive and glitchy commands/spells.

It really doesn't. What it boils down to is if you cant be in melee range don't use ifrit. If the target moving, don't use Garuda. Blow your big attacks if boss becomes un targetable anda demi will be off cooldown. That's not thinking, that's just not being an idiot

[CKNovel]

It really doesn't. What it boils down to is if you cant be in melee range don't use ifrit. If the target moving, don't use Garuda. Blow your big attacks if boss becomes un targetable anda demi will be off cooldown. That's not thinking, that's just not being an idiot

That's like all jobs problems. Except casting/melee phase don't apply to all jobs, it's one of the other except for Phys.Ranged.
RDM has the same problems, SGE has the same problems (Phlegma has a short range of 6y).

That's like saying "This gun is different, you have to aim!"

[Gallus]

Opinions right? I think the job is enjoyable, and while perhaps not the most complex thing in the world, it's still thrilling and entertaining to play (for me it surely is).

If people really end up hating this SMN and it's not just a vocal minority, there's always the chance they do some big changes in the future. Remember what happened with BRD and minuet? They literally got rid of BRD hardcasts from HW to SB.

At the end of the day all they want to do is make the rotation appealing for as much people as possible, but expecting everybody to like it is impossible.

I think it'd be cool though if people kept this civil.

[rewd]

Opinions right? I think the job is enjoyable, and while perhaps not the most complex thing in the world, it's still thrilling and entertaining to play (for me it surely is).

If people really end up hating this SMN and it's not just a vocal minority, there's always the chance they do some big changes in the future. Remember what happened with BRD and minuet? They literally got rid of BRD hardcasts from HW to SB.

At the end of the day all they want to do is make the rotation appealing for as much people as possible, but expecting everybody to like it is impossible.

I think it'd be cool though if people kept this civil.

Disagreeing with someone doesn't mean not keeping it civil. Opinions can also be wrong. I can say that my opinion is that MCH offers the biggest room for optimization, but I'd be objectively wrong.

No one said that you can't enjoy new SMN, because - no offense - I think no one cares. We were talking about about optimization (a topic you introduced) and people replied. If you can't handle it, the problem is just yours.

[Gallus]

Disagreeing with someone doesn't mean not keeping it civil. Opinions can also be wrong. I can say that my opinion is that MCH offers the biggest room for optimization, but I'd be objectively wrong.

No one said that you can't enjoy new SMN, because - no offense - I think no one cares. We were talking about about optimization (a topic you introduced) and people replied. If you can't handle it, the problem is just yours.

I cannot handle others having a different opinion :P? Yet you are the one throwing "your IQ must be pitifully low if you think X is hard to play" or "nobody cares about you enjoying SMN" sort of replies o.O. You have a strange understanding of being civil , may god have mercy upon the souls of your close friends/relatives.

[rewd]

I cannot handle others having a different opinion :P? Yet you are the one throwing "your IQ must be pitifully low if you think X is hard to play" or "nobody cares about you enjoying SMN" sort of replies o.O. You have a strange understanding of being civil , may god have mercy upon the souls of your close friends/relatives.

Take your time to read messages more carefully this time, before putting words in my mouth (or anyone else's), please.

Some people calling this SMN braindead and not realizing there's actually quite a lot of room for optimization here. Ruby Ifrit is mostly the big offender in this rotation and the one that can mostly mess your flow, where you place him actually matters, a lot.

This is what you said. If you think that one hardcast (before you will Swiftcast the other) and a melee GCD is a "lot of room of optimization" (or optimization, period...) then I can't even fathom how terribly hard to play BLM and RDM. Considering the latter was never considered hard to play (or even to optimize, although it does have interesting stuff), then there is something seriously wrong with your statement.

"SMN actually has a lot of optimization!" (<- that,somehow, only you were able to notice)
"That's just doing your rotation correctly, it's not optimization"
"Opinions. I like new SMN"

Cool, that's not the topic though (and not an adequate rebuttal), which is why I said no one cares about you liking or not liking the rework, because it has nothing to do with what we are saying. Go ahead and antagonize me, though, the lack of arguments was already clear.

[zcrash970]

Opinions right? I think the job is enjoyable, and while perhaps not the most complex thing in the world, it's still thrilling and entertaining to play (for me it surely is).

If people really end up hating this SMN and it's not just a vocal minority, there's always the chance they do some big changes in the future. Remember what happened with BRD and minuet? They literally got rid of BRD hardcasts from HW to SB.

At the end of the day all they want to do is make the rotation appealing for as much people as possible, but expecting everybody to like it is impossible.

I think it'd be cool though if people kept this civil.

Lol with how vocal dark knights mains are, I doubt any change will be made. If anything SE will dig in their heels and pretend none of the issues exist

[CKNovel]

Lol with how vocal dark knights mains are, I doubt any change will be made. If anything SE will dig in their heels and pretend none of the issues exist

Even the japanese forum that can let a topic sink for months are getting quite the activity.
Also, the community that asks for hard 4-man content again and again but still nothing.

There is a lot of requests that have been left unanswered, healers asking for more DPS buttons, everyone asking for a Living Dead rework...

[zcrash970]

Even the japanese forum that can let a topic sink for months are getting quite the activity.
Also, the community that asks for hard 4-man content again and again but still nothing.

There is a lot of requests that have been left unanswered, healers asking for more DPS buttons, everyone asking for a Living Dead rework...

Oh I'm aware. I can read some of the Japanese forums and I know they are just as pissed as we are about some things.

According to my static mate who is fluent, they aren't 100% sold on new smn yet either

[Rolder50]

Oh I'm aware. I can read some of the Japanese forums and I know they are just as pissed as we are about some things.

According to my static mate who is fluent, they aren't 100% sold on new smn yet either

Good, good. That side of the player base not liking something is pretty much the only way it'll get changed.