New summoner is unacceptable

[Rin_Kuroi]

If you want to be annoyingly nitpicky : you are still attacking his/her idea so still attacking him/her in the end. The pot calling the kettle black

I haven't attacked the person or the argument yet. I don't even know what the argument is!

[Evos]

Soo shadow bringer summoner
Things to manage...dots, pet actions, pet placement, ogcds, and of course timed executions (keeping that gcd rolling).

Yes there was pet AI issues mainly delays in buffs and actions if not painstakingly timed. But figuring out how it all worked together was fun.

The rewards: decision making affected by where you were in the rotation/ the fight itself and high output.

New summoner...I don't have to track anything. Energy drain and ruin IV are literally on the same timer (why Idk). The rest plays its self. I don't have to think hard about any choice. Ill use it like I use MCH when I don't care to focus.

[Rin_Kuroi]

It's a WoW comparison. "DoT mage with pet" is a large part of warlock's schtick.

Ah. Okay. After a few google searches I see now, thank you. I totally forget that even existed. I knew the game had a mage class but totally forgot about warlocks. I'm know very little about WoW.

So being like a World of Warcraft warlock is bad? I don't know enough about them to really judge one way or the other.

[zcrash970]

I am thoroughly enjoying the changes to summoner. Thematically its far better than what it was previous. From a rotation perspective, after I hit 86 and gained additional aetherflow abilities the rotation felt better.

The problem is the class designed is extremely flawed and needs a lot of fine tuning before savage comes out.
I personally find the class boring now, and it's following the same vein as mch, but it needs a lot more love

[Riusvell]

"We're not attacking people", why has it been that the last responses have been exactly that?
It's like you guys turned this into a thread of ganging up on the people who do have legitimate concerns and actually provide feedback on how or why it's not good.

Just because people don't share the same opinion doesn't mean you have to drown out theirs with either harassment, provocation or anything.

I'm level 90 now and my opinion has not changed since level 80, it's not a level 80 job at 80 and that's legitimately a problem that needs to be addressed.
Ruin 4 needs to be given a purpose, at the very least make the Demi's OGCD so it lines up with the Ruin 4 stack you get from Energy Drain. Ruin 4 as it is, is completely worthless.
Ifrit's cast time not lining up with the recast timer (longer time casting and same GCD) is too jarring and doesn't work for a class that only uses the skill twice.
Garuda's slipstream is fine as is, it's not messing up as much as people claim it does. The Cast timers being shorter than the GCD it gives you is honestly ok.
Titan actually is good. That's what I will give it for, though I wish I could replace my Summons. Sorry, while I do like the primals, I do want to not always see them.
Animations are somewhat nice but I don't like seeing the open book being smashed into the enemy every time. Variation is good, and the older casts actually were nice as well.
I'd also rather see the level 86 trait come into play somewhat earlier for the lower levels in a lesser form so that it feels more complete.
Job's still meh at best till they actually bring it into a finished state.

It's fine if you like it, though don't try to dismiss people's criticisms. There's a reason why people are dissatisfied even when ignoring how the older iteration plays.

Still don't feel like a Summoner though, feeling more like a Black Mage wearing a Summoner's coat. Which is kind of a shame, I really miss having them beside me.
Now they're just over glorified spells, not being that we call upon to help us out/fight for us.

[zcrash970]

Soo shadow bringer summoner
Things to manage...dots, pet actions, pet placement, ogcds, and of course timed executions (keeping that gcd rolling).

Yes there was pet AI issues mainly delays in buffs and actions if not painstakingly timed. But figuring out how it all worked together was fun.

The rewards: decision making affected by where you were in the rotation/ the fight itself and high output.

New summoner...I don't have to track anything. Energy drain and ruin IV are literally on the same timer (why Idk). The rest plays its self. I don't have to think hard about any choice. Ill use it like I use MCH when I don't care to focus.

Yeah I'm not going to lie. New summoner feels like that meme "random bullshit go!"

[AnnaUK]

Does the base Carbuncle really have to stay Blue?

I loved the Ruby colour.. I don't care about Titan, Ifrit and Garuda they can stay as they are for me.

[Daralii]

Does the base Carbuncle really have to stay Blue?

I loved the Ruby colour.. I don't care about Titan, Ifrit and Garuda they can stay as they are for me.

You can change it with /petglamour as far as I know.

[Roda]

Does the base Carbuncle really have to stay Blue?

I loved the Ruby colour.. I don't care about Titan, Ifrit and Garuda they can stay as they are for me.

You can still glamour them.

I really find it funny how similar carbuncle is to "emerald" carbuncle. I really thought we would've gotten a true green carbuncle for emerald.

Look at this.



I mean i like the new color, but depending on the lighting they almost look identical.

[Melorie]

I haven't attacked the person or the argument yet. I don't even know what the argument is!

Apparently, if you have any grips whatsoever with the new summoner you're already attacking other people, by not letting them have fun. Either that or you're part of some evil clan that wants to bring WoW's warlock into Final Fantasy. lmao