So how is whm doing?

[Mortex]

Whm is ok and that’s it. Astro is just way better in all situations and has infinite mana and a million ogcd tools.

[Liam_Harper]

I don't think all skill should get star treatment. Star seems absurd, might as well be raidwide aoe without a reticule if so large.
I like that c3 is dense heal with limited radius, so it rewards placement. But maybe the potency needs tweaking? idk. It feels okay to me.

Cure III requires placement, it doesn't really reward it. It's 400 less potency than Medica II and only just equal to a Plenary Rapture. The only place Cure III ever shone was rare mechanics with continuous high damage, such as Tumult or Terminal during prog. Now Lilybell does that job. There is almost no place for a 600 potency GCD with such limitations. 600 isn't even that great anymore.

While Star is absurd, I can see why they did it. The unfortunate reality is you have no control over whether players stand in Asylum or Cure III radius. Especially in content like Alliance raids, these abilities often just won't catch everyone and you'll be forced to GCD heal for the 3 people out in Narnia. The idea of a reward for placement sounds good, but the content doesn't allow for it outside of organized high end raids and trials.

There's also the obvious fact that giving one pure healer a massive radius on their ground placement heal and not the other, puts the first at a massive advantage. Why play WHM and try to get people to bunch up for your mana draining 600 potency GCD, when AST is detonating a free 720 potency nuclear heal-bomb that even deals damage instead of costing it.

[Ashua]

Cure III requires placement, it doesn't really reward it. It's 400 less potency than Medica II and only just equal to a Plenary Rapture. The only place Cure III ever shone was rare mechanics with continuous high damage, such as Tumult or Terminal during prog. Now Lilybell does that job. There is almost no place for a 600 potency GCD with such limitations. 600 isn't even that great anymore.

While Star is absurd, I can see why they did it. The unfortunate reality is you have no control over whether players stand in Asylum or Cure III radius. Especially in content like Alliance raids, these abilities often just won't catch everyone and you'll be forced to GCD heal for the 3 people out in Narnia. The idea of a reward for placement sounds good, but the content doesn't allow for it outside of organized high end raids and trials.

There's also the obvious fact that giving one pure healer a massive radius on their ground placement heal and not the other, puts the first at a massive advantage. Why play WHM and try to get people to bunch up for your mana draining 600 potency GCD, when AST is detonating a free 720 potency nuclear heal-bomb that even deals damage instead of costing it.

I would be all for a heal four that really hones in the fact the white mage is the defacto king of pure healing by providing a % based regen effect based on health that provides more healing as the target gets weaker. A supreme heal defining spell maybe. Cure 4 600 potency+regen 2.

[Silver-Strider]

I would be all for a heal four that really hones in the fact the white mage is the defacto king of pure healing by providing a % based regen effect based on health that provides more healing as the target gets weaker. A supreme heal defining spell maybe. Cure 4 600 potency+regen 2.

WHM doesn't need more direct healing abilities. We have a plethora of those. We need an overhaul because some minor rework isn't gonna cut it at this point.

[lilwitch]

It's 400 less potency than Medica II and only just equal to a Plenary Rapture. The only place Cure III ever shone was rare mechanics with continuous high damage, such as Tumult or Terminal during prog. Now Lilybell does that job. There is almost no place for a 600 potency GCD with such limitations. 600 isn't even that great anymore.

I think that rly lacking any hint of nuance. Sure, m2 does more over time, but that's the tradeoff of a HoT - more if you can afford to wait.
Liturgy on 3min cd. C3's the highest group heal that's spammable, and you can thin air at least one of them if necessary. Idk, it just feels comfy to me, and it's easy enough to precast for stacks. If ppl spread out, can plenary too yeah.

[elioaiko]

WHM is the same for better or worse.

Agree with Lilybell's needing a CD reduction because 3 is way too long same goes with Sage's Haima, which should be 90s

1.5s feel great so no more clipping and proper weaving.

WHM not having a raid buff is something they want to avoid as they likely want AST and SCH to be buffers while SGE and WHM are personal.

They probably want WHM to be simple and there's not more to add to simple.

[Silver-Strider]

WHM is the same for better or worse.

Agree with Lilybell's needing a CD reduction because 3 is way too long same goes with Sage's Haima, which should be 90s

1.5s feel great so no more clipping and proper weaving.

WHM not having a raid buff is something they want to avoid as they likely want AST and SCH to be buffers while SGE and WHM are personal.

They probably want WHM to be simple and there's not more to add to simple.

Being simple doesn't mean there isn't room for improvement and the changes WHM got are far from making the job simpler. Bell is so niche that its practically useless in every situation outside of its niche as its just a worse Earthly Star for the most part. The Nerf to Thin Air has also made death much harder to recover from as a WHM since you're pretty much reliant on Lucid Dreaming as we lose any Lilies we had while Assize barely breaks even with Glare and is completely eclipsed by our still costly GCD healing toolkit. All WHM got that I would count as a net positive thing is Aqua Veil and even that pales in comparison to AST's Exaltation.

Overall this expansion has been horrible for WHM

[Iedarus]

Make lilies give mana and make Misery DPS neutral and WHM will be significantly more competitive with AST.

[Silver-Strider]

Make lilies give mana and make Misery DPS neutral and WHM will be significantly more competitive with AST.

Maybe it would be competitive with SGE but AST is so horribly overtuned that even with these changes it wouldn't be enough.

[Raminax]

While I've yet to touch the Extreme trials, White Mage, as usual, feels very samey. Sure, the cast time reduction on Glare is a joy to have, but otherwise it's... well... there just isn't anything to say? Our numbers increase over ten levels?

I've been pleasantly surprised that Liturgy of the Bell also triggers on DoT ticks on you, so its optimal usage is expanded from Akh Morns and Tumults to Almagest and its clones, but otherwise White Mage doesn't really dazzle or shine, despite the spell effects.