I don't accept your apology

[Lanadra]

The rest of your post doesn't erase the dismissive and superior nature of "We keep TELLING them it's THERE."

It isn't there if it isn't there consistently, so maybe don't?

I said that in a normal manner of fact way of speaking, you're the one editing the way my post was made to make it seem like I'm trying to mock Jadedsins. Do yourself a favor and stop.

[Venjamin]

I said that in a normal manner of fact way of speaking, you're the one editing the way my post was made to make it seem like I'm trying to mock Jadedsins. Do yourself a favor and stop.

No, it seems like you're mocking or downplaying the people who are upset about a system that doesn't work?

[Floortank]

It is pretty unacceptable. I love 14 and its developers, but the level of defensiveness from the community is astounding. No matter how much people love Yoshida doesn't make this situation any less unacceptable. It's bad. It doesn't need apologies or excuses, it needs solutions yesterday.

I also immediately conclude that it's a bad community when someone in it disagrees with me or is hostile. o_O

I do agree that complaints about the queue are necessary and a good thing. But it's a forum. You're not gonna find only agreement on a forum.

[CazzT]

I said that in a normal manner of fact way of speaking, you're the one editing the way my post was made to make it seem like I'm trying to mock Jadedsins. Do yourself a favor and stop.

The edit emphasizes the words that are naturally emphasized when people read that. You are coming across as arrogant and dismissive.

Dozens upon dozens of people are saying they are logging back in within 15-30 seconds after a 2002 or 4004 and they're at the back of the line again.

From my own personal experience, this happens 99% of the time I get booted due to an error. Do I agree a system is in place? Yes. But it's clearly not functioning properly. Whether that's due to not giving enough grace period or some other back end issue that's dropping people from their spot in the line, I don't know. But I can see from my end that it is not working the way it should.

And your statement of "we keep telling them it's there" is dismissive of people like myself telling you it's happening to us. And it's being said in an arrogant way.

[Lanadra]

The edit emphasizes the words that are naturally emphasized when people read that. You are coming across as arrogant and dismissive.

Dozens upon dozens of people are saying they are logging back in within 15-30 seconds after a 2002 or 4004 and they're at the back of the line again.

From my own personal experience, this happens 99% of the time I get booted due to an error. Do I agree a system is in place? Yes. But it's clearly not functioning properly. Whether that's due to not giving enough grace period or some other back end issue that's dropping people from their spot in the line, I don't know. But I can see from my end that it is not working the way it should.

And your statement of "we keep telling them it's there" is dismissive of people like myself telling you it's happening to us. And it's being said in an arrogant way.

You're.. misquoting me. Which is part of what I've been trying to tell Venjamin I take issue with. It's very easy to be all like 'oh you come off like this' when even the very words I said are changed to make it look worse, when words and a different sentence structure are put into my mouth. Again, you aren't even properly quoting something I said, instead quoting a sentence I did not post in that manner.

[Doc_Seraph]

Everybody have a special kupo kupcake and it will be alright "soon."

[Venjamin]

You're.. misquoting me. Which is part of what I've been trying to tell Venjamin I take issue with. It's very easy to be all like 'oh you come off like this' when even the very words I said are changed to make it look worse, when words and a different sentence structure are put into my mouth. Again, you aren't even properly quoting something I said, instead quoting a sentence I did not post in that manner.

Okay, then let's use your exact words, rather than my abridging your meaning. My apologies for condensing it, even if it doesn't change the tone in which it's read.

"And we keep telling them, it does that already."

"We keep telling them, it's already there."

Still dismissive. Still condescending. It puts you in a position of authority / correctness over these poor misguided people who are clearly not having the issues they're claiming to have.

Or again, that's just how it reads. You aren't the person to tell them 'it does that already' when it does not do that already.

Pardon me for abridging your speech, and complaining that "it is getting so very tiring to see people talk as if it isn't there at all."

Better?

[Lanadra]

Okay, then let's use your exact words, rather than my abridging your meaning. My apologies for condensing it, even if it doesn't change the tone in which it's read.

"And we keep telling them, it does that already."

"We keep telling them, it's already there."

Still dismissive. Still condescending. It puts you in a position of authority / correctness over these poor misguided people who are clearly not having the issues they're claiming to have.

Or again, that's just how it reads. You aren't the person to tell them 'it does that already' when it does not do that already.

Pardon me for abridging your speech, and complaining that "it is getting so very tiring to see people talk as if it isn't there at all."

Better?

Yes. So.. disagreeing is 'dismissive and condescending', daring to offer a contrary perspective is bad..? Is there a particular reason that I am not allowed to say that a system that I've actively seen working and thus clearly perceive as there to be what I perceive it to be?

I say again, I also stated that it needs to be more reliable and have a larger grace period window, ergo, I am acknowledging that it is not working properly at all times for everyone. Like.. this entire time all I am seeing is people telling me I mean to convey something that I do not. If you want to point at a post of mine and say I am being a condescending twat, feel free to go back to post #12 in this thread, my first post in this thread, guilty as charged in that one.

Edit: We also seem to have a bit of a difference in perspective as well, you seem to believe that because it isn't working perfectly at all times.. the system isn't there and thus I am supposedly 'wrong'. But I do not see it that way, it is there, even if it isn't working properly at all times, it is meant to and in cases like mine, it does in fact work. Thus another part in why I disagree with your statements earlier.

[Jadedsins]

Wow....you really are unreasonable.
Just told you what you want is already there, and you are still unhappy.
And they mentioned the Issues.....but they never mentioned it can't be changed.

So what exactly are you Mad about again?
Losing your place in the que and not getting a grace period to get your spot back? - Already there. I just told you about it, and so has another.
They Didnt Mention the Issue? - Yes they Did. Are you keeping up with the Newsfeed?
They need to tell you why the system can't be changed? - When did they say it couldn't? You pull this out of thin air or is there somewhere you can link?

At this point, it sounds like you just want to be Mad for the Sake of being Mad.
Not discounting the frustration that there is an error happening during Que Wait time, but to sit here and call them Incompetent over things out of their control is just nonsense.

What part of, it needs to be at least 5 mins instead of the short time it takes to get back in queue. Also, the part where getting dc in game should not punish you by putting you in queue. That a buffer should be added to avoid queue if you DC in game.


Both things are not only reasonable, but to not already have them in the game, after seeing the influx of people is stupid. The hold on your queue spot is so short. I was force to use a mod launcher so I can quickly get back into my spot.


After the 4th time saying this. I hope you understand now. To say that it can't be done, or to defend the company after they KNEW it was going to happen. Is the pillar of being a white knight I have ever seen.

A queue time is understandable, The buffer time, and not having a buffer when you DC in game is not.

[Sweetseve]

Jaded, we can be Karens together. The whole idea that you shouldn't complain about something you're paying for is crazy. I mean, I could see if you paid once for the game and never again, but paying for the game monthly entitles you to be annoyed about access to the game. While I understand that access if going to be a bit more difficult because of the popularity, commenting on the dissatisfaction of situation is perfectly reasonable. Personally, I think a lot of younger people don't know how to stick up for the value of their dollar. You shouldn't have to cancel your subscription to make your point... your point is valid the moment their deduction hits your bank account. "If you don't like it than leave" is ever counter to innovation and problem solving, and I 100% agree it is based in immaturity. Don't waste your time arguing with people who don't think your funds entitle you to voice frustration with a service. In fact, your funds ALWAYS credit you with that ability and validation. No one else can define your satisfaction with the service but you. But, I'm sure you already knew that... so let the children be.