Level 70 Sage rotation?

[Vivix]

It's a dps gain versus Dyskrasia spam and we only have 3 charges of Addersgall to ogcd heal a tank with. During boss fights Toxikon is barely useful for sure and I don't worry about gaining addersting stacks. Still have mana issues if I forget to use lucid dreaming on cd.

[Rilifane]

It's a dps gain versus Dyskrasia spam and we only have 3 charges of Addersgall to ogcd heal a tank with. During boss fights Toxikon is barely useful for sure and I don't worry about gaining addersting stacks. Still have mana issues if I forget to use lucid dreaming on cd.

No, it's not:
Dykrasia I is 160, Dyskrasia II 170 potency
Toxikon I is 300, Toxikon II is 330 potency with 50% fall off.

But Toxikon needs 2 GCDs to use because you first have to gain Addersting via EDiagnosis breaking; preshielding between pulls/ during transitions not counting, it's a major dps loss.
2 GCDS Dyskrasia II on 5 enemies is 1700 potency vs. 990 of Toxikon II. Something isn't a dps gain just because it would deal more damage in a vacuum, it's important to consider how you even build it up. In case of Toxikon it needs full GCD of you doing no damage at all.

Haima applies a 300 potency shield and up to 5 more 300 potency shields. That's 1800 potency worth of shielding without doing anything, it's basically immortal mode for tanks in a big pull for up to 15s.
Physis I is a strong regen and is often enough with regular Kardia heals, Physis II even has a 10% heal bonus tacked on and pairs well with the ST heals if the tank still dropped.
Even a fresh lv 70 Sage has a crazy strong toolkit for full dps uptime.

Also, you miss out on a lot of free heal from Kardia if you keep alternating EDiagnosis and Toxikon.

[Vivix]

1 gcd vs 1 gcd is the comparison I made. If I was simply using Eukrasian Diagnosis to then use Toxikon sure that would be inefficient however I am using the shield anyway and already have the addersting charges so why would I cast Dykrasia for less? To assume I said alternating Ediagnosis and Toxikon is a dps gain is sort of bizarre when one isn't a dps skill at all.

[Rilifane]

1 gcd vs 1 gcd is the comparison I made. If I was simply using Eukrasian Diagnosis to then use Toxikon sure that would be inefficient however I am using the shield anyway and already have the addersting charges so why would I cast Dykrasia for less? To assume I said alternating Ediagnosis and Toxikon is a dps gain is sort of bizarre when one isn't a dps skill at all.

But why do you need so many shields?
As I said, it's important to consider how you even build it up and to build of Toxikon, you need a GCD of doing no damage at all. And I still wonder why you even have to shield so much in the first place that you regulary use EDiagnosis anyway? Sage has a really strong toolkit.
I've spammed my Sage to 80+ with ShB leveling dungeons and the wall to walls were a joke even if a tank didn't nail cycling their mitigation.
Haima + Kerachole is basically an invuln for the tank for 15s, keeps the Addersgall running and you get one back right after it ran out.
Physis II + Taurochole means more gain from Taurochole and lower damage on the tank while the regen ticks.
And there's still Soteria and more Addersgall stacks. That's just the fresh 70 kit, with Rhizomata (boring as it is), Holos, Kerachole trait, Panhaima, Krasis, increased Kardia potency and Pneuma I just don't see why you would constantly need so much GCD shielding that Toxikon is again because "you're shielding anyway".

Sage is a new class and it takes some time getting used to all those buttons, so shielding for comfort while learning the class is good to minimize pointless wipes but the toolkit is incredibly strong in dungeons and not just close to max level or at max level.

Toxikon will hopefully get a rework because EDiagnosis as the only way to get Addersting and with such a low damage return makes it a mechanic that's best to ignore. But the rest of the toolkit? Damn.

[Vivix]

Idk I ended up running Holminster a few times due to many low lvl reapers in queue for example and there were 10+ mobs in some pulls. I played Diurnal AST prior so it made sense to keep a shield on the tank like I kept regen on them as AST. After applying dots to the bigger mobs and using charges of Phlegma before anything else I used Toxikon on whatever was left and spammed Dosis with 2 or less mobs remaining. There were few times where enough mobs and time was left to spam Dyskrasia. It felt like scathe to me where I'd try to avoid being in situations where I should use it.

[Rilifane]

Idk I ended up running Holminster a few times due to many low lvl reapers in queue for example and there were 10+ mobs in some pulls. I played Diurnal AST prior so it made sense to keep a shield on the tank like I kept regen on them as AST. After applying dots to the bigger mobs and using charges of Phlegma before anything else I used Toxikon on whatever was left and spammed Dosis with 2 or less mobs remaining. There were few times where enough mobs and time was left to spam Dyskrasia. It felt like scathe to me where I'd try to avoid being in situations where I should use it.

Keeping up regens makes sense if someone keeps taking damage and they constantly suffer a HP loss that guarantees ticks don't overheal but GCD regens are more of a last resort than bread and butter in all situations. Keeping up shields makes no sense, though, as they're just a preemptive heal and usually have lower potency than direct heals. Unless it's to prevent a one shot, they're inferior to direct heals and regens.
When it comes to heal potency alone, EDiagnosis is even weaker than Druochole below 85 because it's on the GCD which means you lose the 130 free heal from Kardia in addition to the damage. And it's a lot weaker than Taurochole. At 85 it's roughly equal to Druochole in terms of heal potency alone but still on the GCD and a dps loss that can easily be avoided by using other tools.
The most effective way to heal on any healer is cycling oGCDs, not keeping GCD effects such as Asp. Benefic or EDiagnosis up. Worst case, a paper tank takes more than oGCDs on their own can cover but then you have e.g. the regen from Physis I/II as an addional heal.
In all ShB leveling dungeons every tank pulled wall to wall and healing was comfortable without resorting to GCDs; no matter how Dyskrasia feels, it's weaker in practice because of the fall off. The damage on the first target may look nice, but it's still weaker than Dyskrasia and spamming Dyskrasia means constant Kardia heals. Every GCD heal makes you miss out on 130/ 170 potency free healing, more during Soteria. Sage is even more encouraged to cycle oGCDs properly.

[Vivix]

Thanks for going in depth. I am new to shield healers but also in that other mmo I come from healing is mainly from gcds and cooldowns were generally reserved for boss mechanics or mistakes. I probably need to take another look at all the potencies again.