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  1. #11
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    Rein_eon_Osborne's Avatar
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    Dunno. Wing it up like everybody else.

    But I imagine it won't be too much different. Having the DoT button baked into the nuke button also doesn't feel nice... at least that's what I felt when I'm poking the striking dummy earlier.

    Toxicon is still a joke.

    Healings? Use a similar logic as other healers.
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    Toxikon is Dosis but instant and can hit multiple targets. It is better to use especially when you want to move. (except, of course, when you are inbetween leveling)
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    So would your Single Target Rotation be: E. Dosis > Dosis (Phlegma) > Dosis (Phlegma) > Dosis > Dosis > Dosis etc etc.

    Use Phlegma on Cooldown and use Toxicon for Movement over Dosis?
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  4. #14
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    Toxikon Phelgma, and Dosis are all GCDs. So, you should do it based on priority procs. You could do a Dosis spam but you miss out on a lot of movement and the extra damage to adds (the first hit of the AOE abilities does not split off too). Plus when Eukrasian barriers break you get a charge that you can use on Toxikon. You get so much Toxikon that you usually don't need to worry about saving them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Superskull85 View Post
    Toxikon Phelgma, and Dosis are all GCDs. So, you should do it based on priority procs. You could do a Dosis spam but you miss out on a lot of movement and the extra damage to adds (the first hit of the AOE abilities does not split off too). Plus when Eukrasian barriers break you get a charge that you can use on Toxikon. You get so much Toxikon that you usually don't need to worry about saving them.
    I noticed that, Addersgall fills very quickly. In Single Target you can use it if you got it unless your saving it for a Heavy Movement phase.

    In Multiple Target though Dyskrasia is the better choice it looks like. So where does Toxicon fit?
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    Because Toxikon does more damage on your target it will be better than Dyskrasia, and even on the additional targets Dyskrasia is barely better and Dyskrasia II is even less of a difference compared to Toxikon II (which again does more damage on your target). So, in effect, if you cycle targets with Toxikon you will get a better gain as you us it more. (plus, you need to be point blank for Dyskrasia compared to Toxikon).
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  7. #17
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    Quote Originally Posted by Superskull85 View Post
    Toxikon Phelgma, and Dosis are all GCDs. So, you should do it based on priority procs. You could do a Dosis spam but you miss out on a lot of movement and the extra damage to adds (the first hit of the AOE abilities does not split off too). Plus when Eukrasian barriers break you get a charge that you can use on Toxikon. You get so much Toxikon that you usually don't need to worry about saving them.
    I honestly don't know where you'd get so many Toxikon. GCD shielding during the pull just to get Addersting to use Toxikon is a wasted GCD; the oGCD toolkit + Kardion auto heals are plenty to get through wall to wall pulls and then some.
    I only get 1 Addersting charge per pull because I preshield the tank on the run between mobs, 2 at most. But that's about it. GCD shielding during the pull isn't necessary because Kardia, Physis I/II, Haima, Soteria, Holos and Panhaima plus Addersgall heals are more than enough so I never have to touch EDiagnosis.

    Quote Originally Posted by Maxilor View Post
    I noticed that, Addersgall fills very quickly. In Single Target you can use it if you got it unless your saving it for a Heavy Movement phase.

    In Multiple Target though Dyskrasia is the better choice it looks like. So where does Toxicon fit?
    I think you're confusing Addersgall and Addersting.
    Addersgall gets 1 charge every 20s, even out of combat.
    Addersting is a charge you get when Eukrasian Diagnosis, your GCD shield, breaks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rilifane View Post
    I honestly don't know where you'd get so many Toxikon. GCD shielding during the pull just to get Addersting to use Toxikon is a wasted GCD; the oGCD toolkit + Kardion auto heals are plenty to get through wall to wall pulls and then some.
    I only get 1 Addersting charge per pull because I preshield the tank on the run between mobs, 2 at most. But that's about it. GCD shielding during the pull isn't necessary because Kardia, Physis I/II, Haima, Soteria, Holos and Panhaima plus Addersgall heals are more than enough so I never have to touch EDiagnosis.



    I think you're confusing Addersgall and Addersting.
    Addersgall gets 1 charge every 20s, even out of combat.
    Addersting is a charge you get when Eukrasian Diagnosis, your GCD shield, breaks.
    Thank you yes, I mixed them up.

    Do you have an answer to my question though?
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    Maybe it's just how I am playing the sage but I feel like I have to use lucid dreaming on cooldown to prevent myself from going oom. It might be my use of Eukrasian Diagnosis religiously so I never run out of addersting charges and all the Dosis spam. On AST every card refunded mana so I never even thought about it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vivix View Post
    It might be my use of Eukrasian Diagnosis religiously so I never run out of addersting charges
    Probably that. Addersting really isn't worth it. Your better off usign oGCDs to heal and GCDs to spam dosis.
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