Monk Positionals 6.0

[Kolsykol]

Thank you! It will make learning melee smoother. Pro tip: If you want community support for your vision, try not to lash out in a tantrum.

So because you need to learn how to play the Job because you're still leveling we who have played it since ARR or at least for a long time need to have the job made worse for us at max level?

They also removed an aspect of the job that was part of the learning process ( something that takes like five seconds to figure out, I rly don't understand why it's supposedly so hard for some... ).
By your logic I guess we could remove the Songs for BRD too because it makes '' learning ranged smoother ''?

[Jirah]

Honestly this is a huge wake up call, they are destroying these jobs and if they fester they’ll spawn a breed of new players that never knew what it was like. Like what SCH DRK MCH BRD and MNK spout

[Kolsykol]

Honestly this is a huge wake up call, they are destroying these jobs and if they fester they’ll spawn a breed of new players that never knew what it was like. Like what SCH DRK MCH BRD and MNK spout

Then these same people will complain about homogenization or complain when the Job they main gets changed in similar ways.

[Yokubo]

Thank you! It will make learning melee smoother. Pro tip: If you want community support for your vision, try not to lash out in a tantrum.

Glad to hear your transition to melee DPS will go 'smoother'. I just hope you can understand the frustration from people who have played the class for years should have perhaps a bit of weight to it in eyes of the devs in opposition to those who haven't even reached level 50 on the class yet. I can understand that perhaps the casual or less try-hard crowd might be turned off by Monk and the idea of moving literally every skill could be a bit much, but honestly you've read it time and time again, just don't play the class. Asking for the complete mechanic changes of one class so it fits your tastes is a bit unnecessary, and the fact that it actually happened is just absurd to me. Monk needed to change, I agree 100%. But the current result is not the answer, at all.

And sorry if you took my clearly upset remark as a tantrum, but think about it like this, for what other purpose will True North have to Monk? Why try hard when you can try smart.

[Yokubo]

So because you need to learn how to play the Job because you're still leveling we who have played it since ARR or at least for a long time need to have the job made worse for us at max level?

They also removed an aspect of the job that was part of the learning process ( something that takes like five seconds to figure out, I rly don't understand why it's supposedly so hard for some... ).
By your logic I guess we could remove the Songs for BRD too because it makes '' learning ranged smoother ''?

Can I ultra like your comment? haha

[HappyHubris]

So because you need to learn how to play the Job because you're still leveling we who have played it since ARR or at least for a long time need to have the job made worse for us at max level?

They also removed an aspect of the job that was part of the learning process ( something that takes like five seconds to figure out, I rly don't understand why it's supposedly so hard for some... ).
By your logic I guess we could remove the Songs for BRD too because it makes '' learning ranged smoother ''?

I was commenting on the belittling, not the actual changes themselves.

[Morzy]

No....the new and improved monk job is for me! It's what I have been campaigning for YEARS! While I enjoy the new and improved monk with a WIDE smile on my face with 4 less positionals and a new attack system I may remember the time that I had fun on MNK in 2.0 and 3.0.

I too miss 2.x and 3.x Monk, but this was not a fix let alone resembling 2.x and 3.x Monk in any way lol.

[Mikey_R]

I was commenting on the belittling, not the actual changes themselves.

The whole positionals being removed has been a hot topic for a long time and the vast majority of players who wanted positionals removed are people who do not play the job at all. The vast majority of people who DO play Monk want to keep the positionals. This causes friction between the 2 groups where people who don't actually care for the job want to make it easier just so that they can play it irregardless of what the actual Monk players actually want. As Monk players, we don't go to other jobs and try and make them play like Monk just to please us, so why should non Monk players get to do it to us? This is where the frustration comes from. Players who do not like positionals have 4 other jobs they can pick from, Monks only have Monk and now that is being taken away as well.

[Andy_T93]

The whole positionals being removed has been a hot topic for a long time and the vast majority of players who wanted positionals removed are people who do not play the job at all. The vast majority of people who DO play Monk want to keep the positionals. This causes friction between the 2 groups where people who don't actually care for the job want to make it easier just so that they can play it irregardless of what the actual Monk players actually want. As Monk players, we don't go to other jobs and try and make them play like Monk just to please us, so why should non Monk players get to do it to us? This is where the frustration comes from. Players who do not like positionals have 4 other jobs they can pick from, Monks only have Monk and now that is being taken away as well.

With the greatest respect, where is your data, where are you getting this belief that the vast majority of people who want positionals removed don't play the job?

[wereotter]

With the greatest respect, where is your data, where are you getting this belief that the vast majority of people who want positionals removed don't play the job?

Just within this threat we've seen people who openly admit they aren't playing the job saying that they've been wanting the positional requirements removed. Though beyond that it's impossible to quantify, and I highly doubt anyone has been making spreadsheets that show if someone mains the job and if they support the removal of the requirements.