Baffling behavior

[RobynDaBank]

Is there any topic on Earth you could post without a differing opinion to yours?

Imagine the darkest, most heinous crap on Earth - you post condemning that thing. There will always be another human with ideas contrary to yours, explaining why that thing is not only un-heinous, but should be celebrated by the masses.

I mean, I get the humor of racing to an 'inb4', but exactly what would you post where none of the other 8 billion people on this planet disagree with you? I could post a thread on ending world hunger, and it's guaranteed someone will oppose the idea... shoot, it'd probably be Godwinned within the first few pages.

Ironically, and IMVHO, OP is glossing over details, misrepresenting what happened, or something of that sort. Random, roving packs of players just itching to do something toxic don't exist. I call BS on anyone claiming that they just happened to run across some toxic, horrible group. There's nearly always an explanation for why one got vote-kicked or asked to leave, or things along that line.

I'm not against differing opinions. Yeah, there is indeed humour in "inb4" - again not everyone's cup of tea, but I had my little chuckle thinking and posting it and that was that.

It's true that there will always be someone disagreeing with something, no matter how just or pure it is. But I just see disagreeing and believing differently. I believe the OP because I read the post on its surface, avoided poring over every line to nitpick what's exaggerations and what's a falsehood that never could have happened (except all sort of things happen on this planet, why discount something is out of realty just because it never happened to you?). I'm not gullible, but in simple matters like forum threads I'm willing to believe the case put forward did happen. If it's a troll, I can't fathom their chain of thought. Why make a post explicitly untrue just to see others squabble? Yes it happens, but why?

I'd rather believe someone said the truth than instantly accuse them of lying. I'd rather be naïve than bitterly distrustful.

[Merrnryn]

I have been seeing this more and more as of late. That and random's purposefully killing dragoons to perpetuate the meme... then laughing over it.

[Raven2014]

I'd rather believe someone said the truth than instantly accuse them of lying. I'd rather be naïve than bitterly distrustful.

You speak as if this is some kind of sophistry. While it "may" applies to this "kind" of post, but in this instance the OP looks bad exactly because it was taken at face value. The OP wasn't "trying to make himself look good" via lying and make one wonder if there is another side of the story, no he's getting on a megaphone and screaming "I AM BAD" from the top of his lung. In another word, I think the tank is bad in this case precisely because I don't doubt his word and I believe him what he claimed, just not his assessment.

It seems to me you just want to use this to spout some kind of philosophy, and like I said it may often apply to topic of this nature ... I think you swing and miss quite hard on this one. You implied others of nitpicking, but I think it was you who was trying to read what is not even written.

[Drkdays]

You speak as if this is some kind of sophistry. While it "may" applies to this "kind" of post, but in this instance the OP looks bad exactly because it was taken at face value. The OP wasn't "trying to make himself look good" via lying and make one wonder if there is another side of the story, no he's getting on a megaphone and screaming "I AM BAD" from the top of his lung. In another word, I think the tank is bad in this case precisely because I don't doubt his word and I believe him what he claimed, just not his assessment.

It seems to me you just want to use this to spout some kind of philosophy, and like I said it may often apply to topic of this nature ... I think you swing and miss quite hard on this one. You implied others of nitpicking, but I think it was you who was trying to read what is not even written.

You must have misread the confusion and frustration he presented when he was first unintentionally abandoned by the group, which caused a wipe, followed by yet another wipe with all players present that he was promptly solely blamed for.

That's what he said happened. Why the false paraphrase? That's super shady.

[Raven2014]

You must have misread the confusion and frustration he presented ...

That's the point though ... regardless of whatever reason behind it, I'm reading the OP exactly as how he said it. This is not even about the OP really, simply pointing out the false pretense presented by the poster I was replying to. I'm thinking the tank is bad exactly because I'm simply taking what OP was saying at face value, not because I'm nickpicking or reading between the line. Both of you are trying to reach by adding some non-existence philosophical POV.

Why the false paraphrase? That's super shady.

What even a false paraphrase?

- OP claimed he died within 2 seconds with 3 mobs on him ... not even a caster DPS would go down that fast. That's a bad tank.
- OP dismissed other suggestion of why he's not popping CD, saying he's not fast enough. So ... someone who's not fast enough to pop a CD but expecting the heal to come faster ... that's even worse than a bad tank, that's an entitled tank.

Basically, the OP fully admit he's a bad tank ... except he did so without even recognizing it.

I had said it earlier and I'll say it again: you're reaching ... with a 10ft pole. I'm not falsifying anything, all the detail came straight from a horse mouth. Like I said I only disagree with the assessment. It's like after a car wreck, you see a driver saying "yes I was on the phone, yes I was speeding and run the red light but it's not my fault mkay? The other driver should just be good enough to avoid me!"

What I and most others listened to that and simply say: No ... without trying to reach as hard as you do.

[Nethereal]

This is getting redundant, but one more time (note that this is all hearsay, but that's all we've ever had):

Tank noted healer was focusing on dps and spoke up asking for heals.

The required ilv would consist of gear past lv 50 at least but likely around 60 and therefore would contain vitality if not more tank centered stats, so even if he was rocking piety instead of strength, his health would be largely unaffected and his armor would be acceptable, too, since he'd be past the point where you would see disciple of war gear that he could use. It would definitely be tank armor.

It doesn't matter how long it took for those two wipes, if they gave up after just two wipes and before the first boss. Whether they spent half an hour shouting at each other, to kick a tank before the first boss and after just two wipes is pretty lame, though I think there is something about the timer being negated after a full wipe. Not sure but it hardly matters.

In any case, I've said my piece. Tank could have been geared better but the healer could have tried harder. Vote kicking should be reserved for trolls and afks. And no, being geared imperfectly is not trolling.

That's it.

I really don't know why your hill to die on is "They have the item level therefore nothing else matters"

There's no item level required up until Castrum at level 50. That's 12 dungeons with no item level requirement.
Do you condone people going into those dungeons naked because they meet the item level requirement, or lack thereof?

If willfully participating in a team game where you know your personal choices will bring down your teammates isn't trolling I don't know what is.
Even without the trolling a kick is warranted simply due to difference in play style. The healer couldn't, shouldn't, and didn't want to carry OP so they got kicked simple.

[Drkdays]

You have a point; OP doesn't sell himself as the ideal tank and from what he said he certainly made some errors.

But you've radically missed the point of what he said.

Just as you said, he made mistakes that he owned up to, but do you really think he posted in order to just ask for a beating.

That's where your frankly rude false paraphrase, your takeaway, misses completely. He was let down by his group and it caught him by surprise. That's what he is saying, and responses like yours, plainly meant to injure further, are why players fail to improve.

Good job.

[RobynDaBank]

You speak as if this is some kind of sophistry. While it "may" applies to this "kind" of post, but in this instance the OP looks bad exactly because it was taken at face value. The OP wasn't "trying to make himself look good" via lying and make one wonder if there is another side of the story, no he's getting on a megaphone and screaming "I AM BAD" from the top of his lung. In another word, I think the tank is bad in this case precisely because I don't doubt his word and I believe him what he claimed, just not his assessment.

It seems to me you just want to use this to spout some kind of philosophy, and like I said it may often apply to topic of this nature ... I think you swing and miss quite hard on this one. You implied others of nitpicking, but I think it was you who was trying to read what is not even written.

Um, okay? I guess I got too wordy. Sorry...?

Edit: actually I don't understand your post at all. Yes the OP is already owing up to their wrongs and are "blaring from a megaphone" that they're a bad tank. Yet people still doubt any of this even happened, somehow. Because healers can do no wrong. Healers choosing to damage instead of keeping a 20% health tank up aren't in the wrong. It's OP who is wrong even though their own narration paints them as wrong. ??? What's happening here, lol?

See stuff like this is why I'm not the one nitpicking, you are. I'm not the one in this thread placing the OP on the stand and questioning them on every line they said, and every intention and thought and assessment they had. I made my funny post, I reply to people trying to draw bigger meaning from my silly post, I explain I believe the guy on what he said. There's no swings or misses I'm going for. IDK.

[Drkdays]

If willfully participating in a team game where you know your personal choices will bring down your teammates isn't trolling I don't know what is.
Even without the trolling a kick is warranted simply due to difference in play style. The healer couldn't, shouldn't, and didn't want to carry OP so they got kicked simple.

That's an awfully restrictive perspective for an MMO and for content that players are required to clear to progress. No, they don't have to play with people they don't want to play with, but it's surely poor manners to censor others who don't meet your standards. And no, queuing for content that allows you to que for it is not considered trolling.

[Izscha]

Never trust one complaining about others behavior anywhere that's just the golden rule.
You can listen to it, but ppl will ALWAYS make stuff so that if they have done anything wrong they will talk the less about it and shift the focus on others and what they did.
If op was honest he would not have done this thread to begin with, you cant complain being melted when you use the wrong accessories to cheat your way into a dungeon that everyone do know that it requires a bit of stuff to not get obliterate each single xpac.
Ilvl 270 is sh*t for 67-69 dungeons. Ilvl 400 is shit for 77-79 dungeons ilvl 130 is shit for 57-59 dungeons, anyone who has played this game de know this.
Even got some stuff like lvl 65 one that hits like a truck.