Female Hrothgar as a playable race. Show your support!

[xxmiamorecadenza]

It's one thing for a woman to be "toned" but it is another thing to have bulky muscles. It is perfectly fine for a slim female Hrothgar to have *muscle definition* but not femroe sized arms.

They're literally based off of lions and large cats in general. Large felines tend to have a powerful figure. Both the males and the females.

Female lioness literally are the ones responsible for taking down superiorly-sized prey. They're meant to be powerful.

They're beastmen - not humans.

But seeing as you have an obvious prejudice against women with powerful figures, you're honestly not worth debating with. 'cause that's just lowkey ignorant.

I'm sorry but. literally what. Muscles = men. This isn't something groundbreaking.

I literally gave the most exasperated groan and eye-roll of my life reading that. Holy - wow.

[aveyond-dreams]

Ok it's definitely starting to seem like you're more interested in pushing a...unique...ideological perspective on this sort of thing but I hate to break it you but this is just reality. If what you're really after is a huge hulking character then there is nothing stopping you from wearing a dress as male Hrothgar these days. More power to you.

Those of us who would rather not play as something that looks like that outnumber these "strong powerful figure!" fans and this kind of...attitude they seem to have whenever we point out the basics or just state an opinion really make me question whether such a crowd is worth catering to at all. I just want them to look nice. I want them to look like the concept art from the book or the fanart Setesh45 posted.

Starting to wonder if those ultimate raiders had a point about this sort of thing after all. Goodness knows I'd join their side of the argument if SE puts out something that misses the mark.

[Skivvy]

Just thought I'd share some numbers for fun. Looking at the 2020 census (I couldn't find the race breakdown on the 2021 census..maybe I'm blind? ), Elezen had 31,241 active players (11,165 F, 20,076 M). Hrothgar came in at 18,260 (obviously M only at this point). Roegadyn have 18,900 total (6,960 F & 11,940 M).

Now obviously these aren't official numbers, so take it with however big a grain of salt as you like. But IMO, what it does show is that Hrothgar, for all the complaints about it's style and nicheness, it seems to be holding it's own compared to Elezen and stomping on poor Roegadyn. It will be interesting to see numbers once the females are implemented as well.

[xxmiamorecadenza]

Ok it's definitely starting to seem like you're more interested in pushing a...unique...ideological perspective on this sort of thing but I hate to break it you but this is just reality. If what you're really after is a huge hulking character then there is nothing stopping you from wearing a dress as male Hrothgar these days. More power to you.

Literally at a lost for words at this point. Because your presumptions are wrong. Your ignorance is showing. And you offering me that genuinely garbage option does nothing.

And don't presume you're the one being 'realistic' here. Your arrogance is off the charts.

[Dracosavarian]

I can only wonder why.

In any case sexual dimorphism actually does make sense for most species, especially when dealing with humanoids. Women should look different to men. That's kind of the whole point. If you want huge muscles and all then why not settle for male Hrothgar and we can save resources making something else?

What on earth is even with this take? I can’t even….


There is so much I want to say in response to this but I will keep it short. I find this viewpoint to be reprehensible.

I just don’t agree with your take, much less your stance on this.

[aveyond-dreams]

What on earth is even with this take? I can’t even….


There is so much I want to say in response to this but I will keep it short. I find this viewpoint to be reprehensible.

I just don’t agree with your take, much less your stance on this.

I am confused as to what is "reprehensible" about the take that the women should look different than the men of a playable race.

[xxmiamorecadenza]

I am confused as to what is "reprehensible" about the take that the women should look different than the men of a playable race.

It’s not just about that. It’s all the other garbage you were spewing.

[Allegor]

See, it's one thing to have a different, or even outright contrasting opinion, but when you start spilling bs like this, specially with such a condescending tone, there's no way you're not a troll

[xxmiamorecadenza]

See, it's one thing to have a different, or even outright contrasting opinion, but when you start spilling bs like this, specially with such a condescending tone, there's no way you're not a troll

It’s either they’re a troll or they’re just not that great of a person. Either or.

[Mirhd]

Wasn't going to post here again, but speaking as an actual woman and not a guy playing a female toon... yikes to a lot of the takes in this thread. Yikes.

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...? No-one has been arguing against biology, honey. Dimorphism is absolutely a thing (and I won't even bother pointing out that in nature there are species where the females are larger), but as Hrothgar are based off big cats (lions), and both the males and females could easily rip nearly anything apart (again, as mentioned), you are the one remarkably out of touch with reality. Hrothgar were always a niche (read: not meant to cater to you), and that's fine. Not everything needs to appeal to everyone. I don't have a cat-girl alt because they bore me, but I have a Viera alt I brought through ShB, in addition to this Roe I usually play. The game already caters to the majority of players, so why does there need to be yet another generic "human with cat ears+tail"?

I am confused as to what is "reprehensible" about the take that the women should look different than the men of a playable race.

Your blatant old-timey misogyny (oh noes, I went there!) in the entirety of your other posts, for one thing. Have you never seen a female athlete (soccer, tennis, hockey, deadlifter, etc) in your life, or do you honestly somehow not comprehend that women can, in fact, build muscle without the use of steroids? It just requires more effort and takes longer than it does for a man, for obvious reasons.

This is an excellent example of a character that still looks obviously female yet doesn't look like a completely different species. The fact that you're arguing against actual cohesion within the same species is very much a you problem.

See, it's one thing to have a different, or even outright contrasting opinion, but when you start spilling bs like this, specially with such a condescending tone, there's no way you're not a troll

Dunno. Considering there actually are people out there that think this way, well... I'm leaning towards this being the real deal.