Female Hrothgar as a playable race. Show your support!

[Skivvy]

I am not interested in playing as a hunchback woman, in this or any game. I have an alt that I *could* potentially fantasia to female Hrothgar if they actually look decent. But if they're some weird amalgamation of hunchbackness, super huge muscles, and mangled faces? That's a hard pass from me, and pretty much 95% of the playerbase that plays female characters.

There is nothing substantial to gain from catering to "diversity" if the so called "diversity" in question is so niche it turns off the overwhelming majority of people. I still think that the concept art of the Queen from the recent artbook looks good enough for me to drop the cash on. Doubtless a decent chunk of other people agree, but instead of naturally wanting a female model that is well-designed we're supposed to support this idea that they should be "different" for the sake of being so.

This isn't a hard thing to get right. Give them a straight back, decent hair options, better faces than the males, and a natural build. That's all they have to do. If instead we get monster-women whose design is such a turn off that they're about as unpopular as WoW's mecha gnomes, then that is objectively a waste of resources that won't make back the money that was spent to create them.

It's a bold move playing a female Elezen whilst also complaining about about niche races. Elezen are quite low on the totem pole as far as played races goes, especially the females. There have been countless threads/posts with people asking SE to "fix" how they look, give them a more mainstream style. But then on the flip side you have your staunch defenders who love their elongated necks, sloped shoulders, angular features, etc and want absolutely nothing to change. Had they been designed in the more traditional 'MMO-elf' way, e.g. the sexy option, they'd be far more popular. Variety is nice though, and not every race has to be designed in a way to appeal to the majority of players.

But anyway, opinions are fun. I love Hrothgar as they are, and I really hope the females feel like they match. Add some feminine touches, sure, but I'm going to be super disappointed if they end up going the Au Ra route (although I strongly doubt they will).

[Senn]

Elezen are quite low on the totem pole as far as played races goes, especially the females. There have been countless threads/posts with people asking SE to "fix" how they look, give them a more mainstream style.

You're right, I would have loved for elezen to be adjusted to look better. Right now they look so bad, like lanky giraffe people......... I know elezens will never be "fixed" since there are people out there who like them as is. So I understand it shouldn't be changed. But whatever, viera are a thing now so it doesn't matter to me wooooooo

[Fukuro]

But whatever, viera are a thing now so it doesn't matter to me wooooooo

hoooo boiii not even 3 weeks from now

[Senn]

hoooo boiii not even 3 weeks from now

My hype cannot be contained

[aveyond-dreams]

It's a bold move playing a female Elezen whilst also complaining about about niche races. Elezen are quite low on the totem pole as far as played races goes, especially the females. There have been countless threads/posts with people asking SE to "fix" how they look, give them a more mainstream style. But then on the flip side you have your staunch defenders who love their elongated necks, sloped shoulders, angular features, etc and want absolutely nothing to change. Had they been designed in the more traditional 'MMO-elf' way, e.g. the sexy option, they'd be far more popular. Variety is nice though, and not every race has to be designed in a way to appeal to the majority of players.

But anyway, opinions are fun. I love Hrothgar as they are, and I really hope the females feel like they match. Add some feminine touches, sure, but I'm going to be super disappointed if they end up going the Au Ra route (although I strongly doubt they will).

There isn't much that is "niche" about the design of my forum character. An elven witch in a black dress. The only thing that is stopping her from being a Viera is their decision to ban them from using hats. I'd probably receive even more unsolicited messages than I do normally if she was a Viera.

In any case I would welcome with open arms if they remade Elezen to be more in line with Viera proportions, just as I would welcome Hrothgar fixes and a female Hrothgar that looks good. Making things that a lot of people like is generally a good thing. In any case the "match" to Ronsos in FFX are tall females with not very bulky arms. They are not bigger than a femroe.

As others have mentioned I just do not see the value in catering to a niche within a niche when there is a far more appealing alternative route they could go as opposed to doubling down on things people do not like.

It's a matter of reading the room and being honest. Most people do not want to play a race that is built around catering to niches. They want to play something that looks good, especially if it is a female character. I think my female elezen character looks ok, at least when she's wearing that dress which works with her...unique proportions. If they release something that looks bad, then they will not succeed in obtaining my fantasia money, or most people's.

[LisSquid]

There isn't much that is "niche" about the design of my forum character.

According to active players, female elezen is niche. So this is very much a choice you made based on personal preference that the majority said was not an option for them. Pot, kettle.

[Skivvy]

Very simple fix to the request for "fixed" Elezen models.

https://twitter.com/koyoriin

I wasn't trying to start any sort of "Elezen is ugly, they need to be fixed" commentary, I was just musing over the fact that someone who plays a fairly uncommon race, with it's own unique styling that tends to keep people away, would also then take issue with female Hrothgar being implemented in a way that also didn't appeal to the greater masses. Variety is good, and not all races need to be represented with equal amounts of players to be considered "worth it" in my opinion.

There isn't much that is "niche" about the design of my forum character. An elven witch in a black dress. The only thing that is stopping her from being a Viera is their decision to ban them from using hats. I'd probably receive even more unsolicited messages than I do normally if she was a Viera.

In any case I would welcome with open arms if they remade Elezen to be more in line with Viera proportions, just as I would welcome Hrothgar fixes and a female Hrothgar that looks good. Making things that a lot of people like is generally a good thing. In any case the "match" to Ronsos in FFX are tall females with not very bulky arms. They are not bigger than a femroe.

As others have mentioned I just do not see the value in catering to a niche within a niche when there is a far more appealing alternative route they could go as opposed to doubling down on things people do not like.

It's a matter of reading the room and being honest. Most people do not want to play a race that is built around catering to niches. They want to play something that looks good, especially if it is a female character. I think my female elezen character looks ok, at least when she's wearing that dress which works with her...unique proportions. If they release something that looks bad, then they will not succeed in obtaining my fantasia money, or most people's.

Again, I really wasn't trying to insult the appearance of Elezen, but to show that races/provided options don't have to appeal to everyone, and that's OK. Apologies as it was probably worded like poo and came off as more of an attack. Some people sincerely love Elezen as they are, and I'm sure the same would be the case for f.Hroth, even if they had "mangled faces" and kept the stoop (fwiw, I don't think any of the guys have mangled faces, and I honestly have never thought twice about the stoop...unlike the male bunbun posture, oof!).

I get the point that you and others have made, that catering to a niche within a niche may not be the best plan of action, but there will always be a base of people who are looking for something less pretty & perfect. I can only imagine SE has had their work cut out for them trying to find where to draw that line with the females.

[Alacran]

It's a bold move playing a female Elezen whilst also complaining about about niche races. Elezen are quite low on the totem pole as far as played races goes, especially the females. There have been countless threads/posts with people asking SE to "fix" how they look, give them a more mainstream style. But then on the flip side you have your staunch defenders who love their elongated necks, sloped shoulders, angular features, etc and want absolutely nothing to change. Had they been designed in the more traditional 'MMO-elf' way, e.g. the sexy option, they'd be far more popular. Variety is nice though, and not every race has to be designed in a way to appeal to the majority of players.

But anyway, opinions are fun. I love Hrothgar as they are, and I really hope the females feel like they match. Add some feminine touches, sure, but I'm going to be super disappointed if they end up going the Au Ra route (although I strongly doubt they will).

Very simple fix to the request for "fixed" Elezen models.

https://twitter.com/koyoriin

[Rokke]

Yes, lets take elezen and make them into midlanders. A very easy and sensible adjustment.

[Alacran]

Yes, lets take elezen and make them into midlanders. A very easy and sensible adjustment.

Even if it's sarcasm, i agree. Half Elezen would be a very cost effective way to introduce a new sub race option for Elezen players that want more traditional proportions while allowing those that want to keep FFXIV Elezen as unique as they are in regards to Elves in other media.