Female Hrothgar as a playable race. Show your support!

[RyuDragnier]

Man, if female Hrothgar has the facial setup like Khamira, it's gonna be so good. It's beastlike, with grace, a bit of ferocity, and beauty. Just what you'd expect of a female of a beast race.

[aveyond-dreams]

Oh God, now people want them to actually retain the hunchback posture? The race would literally be dead on arrival.

I am not interested in playing as a hunchback woman, in this or any game. I have an alt that I *could* potentially fantasia to female Hrothgar if they actually look decent. But if they're some weird amalgamation of hunchbackness, super huge muscles, and mangled faces? That's a hard pass from me, and pretty much 95% of the playerbase that plays female characters.

There is nothing substantial to gain from catering to "diversity" if the so called "diversity" in question is so niche it turns off the overwhelming majority of people. I still think that the concept art of the Queen from the recent artbook looks good enough for me to drop the cash on. Doubtless a decent chunk of other people agree, but instead of naturally wanting a female model that is well-designed we're supposed to support this idea that they should be "different" for the sake of being so.

This isn't a hard thing to get right. Give them a straight back, decent hair options, better faces than the males, and a natural build. That's all they have to do. If instead we get monster-women whose design is such a turn off that they're about as unpopular as WoW's mecha gnomes, then that is objectively a waste of resources that won't make back the money that was spent to create them.

[Senn]

But if they're some weird amalgamation of hunchbackness, super huge muscles, and mangled faces?

Not even male hrothgars have mangled faces, what are you even talking about? Just state your opinion like a normal person instead of declaring it would be a waste of resources, as if you know exactly what SE considers a waste or not. Maybe it's a waste of resources to you, but that's not an objective view point like you claim it is. Someone else could easily turn it around and say it's ~objectively~ a waste of resources to make miqo'te 2.0, especially if their faces look more on the humanoid side which seems to be one of the main concerns from what I've read in this thread.

[aveyond-dreams]

Not even male hrothgars have mangled faces, what are you even talking about? Just state your opinion like a normal person instead of declaring it would be a waste of resources, as if you know exactly what SE considers a waste or not. Maybe it's a waste of resources to you, but that's not an objective view point like you claim it is. Someone else could easily turn it around and say it's ~objectively~ a waste of resources to make miqo'te 2.0, especially if their faces look more on the humanoid side which seems to be one of the main concerns from what I've read in this thread.

It only takes a pair of eyes to compare Ronso (the originals) and Hrothgar to see that Hrothgar are inferior in many ways. Especially the Kimahri face. They are way too bulky and for some reason, they have a hunchback despite not having one in FFX. Except the old man ronso who appears in 2 cutscenes, at most.

Imagine if they had made their builds similar to Highlander instead and without all the off-putting factors like the hunch, lack of hair, and Roe proportions. Sounds like something a lot of people might take interest in, but instead they went the "niche" direction and reaped the benefits of that instead, of which there were very little besides 2 years of complaining and demands to fix the race. Even Orcs can stand up straight nowadays. Why not Hrothgar as well?

Why should we repeat bad design choices that the community is actively rejecting and being put off by?

[Senn]

It only takes a pair of eyes to compare Ronso (the originals) and Hrothgar to see that Hrothgar are inferior in many ways. Especially the Kimahri face. They are way too bulky and for some reason, they have a hunchback despite not having one in FFX. Except the old man ronso who appears in 2 cutscenes, at most.

Imagine if they had made their builds similar to Highlander instead and without all the off-putting factors like the hunch, lack of hair, and Roe proportions. Sounds like something a lot of people might take interest in, but instead they went the "niche" direction and reaped the benefits of that instead, of which there were very little besides 2 years of complaining and demands to fix the race. Even Orcs can stand up straight nowadays. Why not Hrothgar as well?

Why should we repeat bad design choices that the community is actively rejecting and being put off by?

I mean, but it's not mangled. lol I have no opinion for the hunch one way or the other, and I don't think they will be buff. If anything, I think they will have a similar physique to female roegadyn, maybe a little more curvy/feminine. But putting that aside, what I've noticed was people wanted female hrothgar's face to be more animalistic than humanoid. Not ugly... Not mangled... Just more like an animal. It doesn't need to be exactly like male hrothgar's face. In fact, I'm thinking the females will have smaller features to make it seem more feminine (like smaller muzzles/snouts).

[Caurcas]

I dunno, looking at Hrothgar I tend to find myself agreeing with Garlean doctrine.

[reivaxe]

A beast-like appearance doesn't necessarily mean they are ugly. Hrothgar look like beasts, but they don't come off as ugly to me. Just animalistic. That's what the people in this thread are asking for from what I'm reading. They simply want something more animalistic, not ugly.

What is and isn't ugly on a personal level is always subjective.
Many people think Hrothgar males ARE ugly, for example, and I can recognize that those people are out there even if I don't agree. By all accounts, Hrothgar are just humans with animal heads and with that comes a degree of human beauty standards ... a hunched back is universally seen as "ugly" on humanoids. It makes sense for Charr to be hunched over, they are cat MONSTERS that can run on all 4s, which is why I pointed that out ...

"Snowflake", bringing up twitter, yada yada yada. I've occasionally wondered what kind of angle you were coming at all this with, but now I finally know. What, do you think the people here in this thread only want a more animalistic appearance because of muh feminism and to get back at the patriarchy or something? Because that's totally what it sounds like when people keep bringing up twitter and whine about it. Really no better than the twitter warriors if I'm being honest. I mean really, does it not cross your mind at all that some people just want a more beast-like appearance for females because it's what they genuinely like?

"snowflaking" is a thing. There are in fact people who do like to play very unpopular, niche things that are seen as ugly by most so that they can stand out in a crowd and feel unique. They get enjoyment outta that, I'm not persecuting them or anything.
And I bring up tweeter cause that's where the "Orc/ Troll/ Demon vs Super model" meme came from that everyone uses to bemoan sexual dimorphism. *Shrug

This is a low tier to mediocre strawman filled to the brim with preposterous assumptions. As someone who actually plays a Charr in GW2, I genuinely just like the race's design. And you bringing up Twitter makes absolutely no sense other than to downplay the other side's opinion. Once again, you're building up a strawman so you present yourself as an individual with a superior mindset.

Where did I say you can't like Charr "genuinely"?
Some people like things the masses think are ugly because they think it's cool, most people who play GW2 aint playing FEMALE Charr though as they're the least played thing in the game. So generally, people prob don't like them even though Charr males are like the 2nd most popular males in the game.

[Senn]

...

I think it's less about some twitter agenda where everything needs to be "fair" to match the males (of course they should match in a way that makes sense for their race, but it's not about fairness), and simply a like and appreciation for more animalistic female characters. I also can understand the meme to some extent - not because everything has to be about equality... It's more like there are some people who are frustrated that the male characters get "the cool thing", and the females don't get that even though it's something they genuinely wanted. Why create a beast-like race if the females aren't going to be beast-like? And that doesn't mean they have to be exactly as big and buff as the males or ugly. But if they don't have a somewhat big physique or have a face that's too humanoid, then what's the point?

As for the hunch, I don't care either way. Make it an option in cpose or don't.

[Skivvy]

I am not interested in playing as a hunchback woman, in this or any game. I have an alt that I *could* potentially fantasia to female Hrothgar if they actually look decent. But if they're some weird amalgamation of hunchbackness, super huge muscles, and mangled faces? That's a hard pass from me, and pretty much 95% of the playerbase that plays female characters.

There is nothing substantial to gain from catering to "diversity" if the so called "diversity" in question is so niche it turns off the overwhelming majority of people. I still think that the concept art of the Queen from the recent artbook looks good enough for me to drop the cash on. Doubtless a decent chunk of other people agree, but instead of naturally wanting a female model that is well-designed we're supposed to support this idea that they should be "different" for the sake of being so.

This isn't a hard thing to get right. Give them a straight back, decent hair options, better faces than the males, and a natural build. That's all they have to do. If instead we get monster-women whose design is such a turn off that they're about as unpopular as WoW's mecha gnomes, then that is objectively a waste of resources that won't make back the money that was spent to create them.

It's a bold move playing a female Elezen whilst also complaining about about niche races. Elezen are quite low on the totem pole as far as played races goes, especially the females. There have been countless threads/posts with people asking SE to "fix" how they look, give them a more mainstream style. But then on the flip side you have your staunch defenders who love their elongated necks, sloped shoulders, angular features, etc and want absolutely nothing to change. Had they been designed in the more traditional 'MMO-elf' way, e.g. the sexy option, they'd be far more popular. Variety is nice though, and not every race has to be designed in a way to appeal to the majority of players.

But anyway, opinions are fun. I love Hrothgar as they are, and I really hope the females feel like they match. Add some feminine touches, sure, but I'm going to be super disappointed if they end up going the Au Ra route (although I strongly doubt they will).

[SturmChurro]

It's one thing being a niche pick, it's another to be a niche within a niche. With a hunched back, and a monstrous design, they'd probably be less popular than femroe! If I recall, some people within this niche of female hrothgar, don't want something that looks like a khajiit either, but rather something big to "crush" them, and so on. Something closer to their male counterparts. You've got a battle of niche camps, when it comes to femhroth!