So did i hear correctly? Old "THE FEAST" Top 100 Rewards will become available again?

[technole]

I just look at what they did with the Frontline Onsal mount, they later made it an Unreal trials token reward just it's dyed red. It wouldn't surprise me in the least bit to recycle things that were other cheeves with a new color or something small just to say we have new rewards! Then call it a day.

[DoH]

So everything is fine, for me at least. Just let the thread die now please^^

I was aware of what Yoshida previously said, but that doesn't mean they'll necessarily follow through with that, or the fact that what he said during the most recent live letter wasn't completely vague. We actually don't know anything at this point and will just have to wait and see. In the meantime, you've created a place to discuss the topic (as it is a topic of interest to many players), so it doesn't necessarily have to die just because you're satisfied. ;-)

He said the same thing with the gobbue back in the day. They also kept reminding people to go get the mount because it would be the only way to get it and that would be their way to show their gratitude for sticking around with the game through a very tough time. Not even a couple of years later, they replaced the carpet on the head of the gobbue with a flower crown and called it a day.



There's plenty of way they could recolor stuff. Most of the gears they had in the rewards already had two variants, doesn't sound too complicated to add a third if they wanted to. For the mounts it's even easier to add one color, they could even just slap a collar on the hell hounds and call it a day.

I'd be really surprised if they didn't recycle anything and just added completly new stuff, especially when they have content just sitting there ready to use that almost nobody had a chance to get.

Personally, I would prefer if they would just release special versions of existing stuff in the game. For example, add dyeable versions of the gear from the Hero's Gauntlet (the Shadowless stuff) or other gear that otherwise hasn't been dyeable heretofore. There's a ton of cool gear in this game that is sadly difficult to coordinate because it's stuck with just one color.

[Aelin_Ashryver]

First of all, who is this directed to? What are you even talking about.. ?

I never said I want people to participate in the Feast nor have I ever done so. Let alone made it anywhere near top 100. The reason I agreed with my response concering the poster I quoted is that they had to work hard to get it. I like working for my rewards because you own nothing in this game and never had. However, you do keep memories and even discipline to an extend when you farm for something. I learned an aspect of patience in this game.

You guys are so extreme, it's easy to see why these forums have a bad reputation. Sometimes people here don't even read posts for context. I wanted the rewards if anything to be earned with wolf marks, let's say 15k-20k each piece. And contrary to your lazy opinion, working is the default state of nature. If you truly believe you are deserving of anything while only moving your small finger, it only goes to show your own entitlement.

Again, I'm all for these items to be available because I do not have them myself. I just want to have a bit of things to do for them, that's all.

At you obviously, since I quoted you. Did I say you were demanding people do feast? No. I was pointing out the method of getting the rewards was hot garbage and was bad for most players. Congrats on wanting to WORK in a game meant for recreation and enjoyment. It's not a lazy opinion to want a more healthy style for the game that does not entice cheats and RMT sellers into action. If people have to do the series 'pass' to get the items is that not enough for you? Why should the entire playerbase be beholden to such standards, we are here to play for fun not work. Hence the ending sentence if you want something that feels more like work, go farm ishgard for the pteranodon mount.. it will take a good long while. Meanwhile I will put my work into my education, wanting some sort of effort is fine but some people's standards for what should be done is too high for people with a life.

"Waving my little finger" nothing I said amounts to demanding all the rewards for nothing at all, but do carry on talking nonsense. You will get plenty of your memories doing the series as normal but without the pressure of knowing it's NOW or NEVER. This was the issue with pvp, it sucks and is not fun to deal with.

[Aelin_Ashryver]

Grinding is what defines the MMORPG Genre as a whole. Removing it, would be like ordering a Hamburger and just requesting the buns and still paying full price.

Any Feast reward that isnt just Wolfcollar weapons, had to be hardly fought for (provided, you arent part of the majority who cheated their way up) very hard. During season 18, when the fancy armor which VanMckan proudly wears, got released first, i had fought 677 Feast Matches only to end up GOLD Rank, despite playing BLM to the best of my abilities every single match.

Am i Salty and Mad about it? You bet i am, but my point is, imagine how far this would go if someone like me wanted to get into Top 100.

I am not suggesting here that everyone here should play 1000 Games of Crystal Conflict for a single Armor set, but having to put a reasonable and still difficult journey for it, would be only fair to those handful few who didnt cheat their way to the top and got the things first.

Or simply give the old feast stuff a new coat of paint/Color palette, a new name but keep the design and call it a day.

I played a korean grinder before ff, I am aware grind makes up a lot of an mmo but also grind makes up for a lot of failings and lack of content. FFXIV has a lot of content to do that is not horribly grindy and when you are done you still find yourself with no shortage of things to do. Being 'fair' to the people who put an absurd amount of time towards getting those rewards is frankly not a concern to me, it was disgusting you had to do that in the first place and had to deal with such a situation, that does not mean it should then be made crappier for other people post change just because other people had it bad. Doing the series in its entirety, all ten levels, should be enough for whatever main reward there is. That might be doing at least 1-2 pvp matches a day and that is plenty imo, pvp should not be taking up half your day, everyday, if you want the rewards.

There is a lot of old mmo design that ffxiv has done away with. This was one of the main last stragglers to be removed, it should not be made a bit worse on purpose just to appease a small group of players.

[Shin96]

At you obviously, since I quoted you. Did I say you were demanding people do feast? No. I was pointing out the method of getting the rewards was hot garbage and was bad for most players. Congrats on wanting to WORK in a game meant for recreation and enjoyment. It's not a lazy opinion to want a more healthy style for the game that does not entice cheats and RMT sellers into action. If people have to do the series 'pass' to get the items is that not enough for you? Why should the entire playerbase be beholden to such standards, we are here to play for fun not work. Hence the ending sentence if you want something that feels more like work, go farm ishgard for the pteranodon mount.. it will take a good long while. Meanwhile I will put my work into my education, wanting some sort of effort is fine but some people's standards for what should be done is too high for people with a life.

"Waving my little finger" nothing I said amounts to demanding all the rewards for nothing at all, but do carry on talking nonsense. You will get plenty of your memories doing the series as normal but without the pressure of knowing it's NOW or NEVER. This was the issue with pvp, it sucks and is not fun to deal with.

To me all of this reads like you're not suited for PVP, which is not a problem in of itself. Stop assuming this is work for me or a problematic experience. Some people are fine with grinding and it's very popular in Japan.

And what does fun mean? So you want to object me to your standard of what that is which you feel is equivalent of real life work. That's subjective. And you've good a life good, so do I. Does it make my claim any less valid? Does it take away from what I say?

You are incredibly condescending. Most of what you say isn't even a problem, but to imply I have no life because I enjoy having a bit of work attached to my rewards is childish at best. Not everyone is suited for everything. If your attempts are futile and simply don't amount to anything; maybe you're not cut out for it. There's no shame in admitting that, and for me it's crafting. Does that mean I get to dictate people's opinions that crafting is essentially work?

I have written this somewhere else but PVP is not for everyone. It's the reason some people never try it and that's alright.

[Aelin_Ashryver]

SNIP.

My last mmo revolved solely around PvP, I was in a hardcore pvp guild, I could spend an entire day just killing other players quite happily. Everything you did in that game was to get better gear to be stronger for said pvp, I am well suited to PvP but the pvp in this game felt god awful to me, tab target pvp is a nightmare when there are dozens of characters. I still hope for a decent action combat pvp based mmo to role around someday, new world sure ain't it for me. It's fine for it not to be work for you, I grinded 100 hours for ONE LEVEL in my old mmo and I was quite content doing it, though I had a lot more time back then since I was only in school. Nevermind upgrading my accessories which blew up upon failure..
But as Yoshida said this community is overall more suited to casual content, 'work' in an mmo context means dozens of hours typically and that does not constitute casual in the least. If you only have a couple hours a day to play and you wanted the pvp stuff, well you are shit out of luck and that is unacceptable. I didn't complain about the huge grind in my old mmo as I knew that pvp and a more grindy competitive style was what I was getting into, not so with ff! It is vastly more casual friendly and the pvp was the main thing out of wack in that sense.

I said wanting some effort is fine, but to try and suggest that others need to adhere to your standard is not so fine. I had same in my old game, players thought that purely because they dumped an ass load of time in meant they should be respected and all dev choices going forward should be made with that thought in mind at the cost of new players.

Some people didn't try ff pvp because it had a rep for being bad, others did try and hated the clusterf*ck of frontlines, myself being one of them though I did enjoy the 8v8v8 before they removed it. Feast was so hard for me to even find as a new player nevermind get into and learn to go for high ranks. It was just a thing suddenly on my duty list and I had no idea what it was about and the game didn't tell me wtf it was either. I later learned it had the competitive mode but trying to find people was difficult and when I learned unless I was willing to deal with a massive grind, cheating and RMT then I shouldn't hold my breathe. Grind, cheats and RMT all have NOTHING to do with pvp, not wanting to participate in those things does not make me "not suited" for pvp it makes me not suited for tedious, frustrating crap... It's not even an enjoyable grind when you have to deal with win traders now is it?? I sat for hours in arena just dueling, there was no grind there just 1v1 tests of skill. No cheating as we would match our gearscore to each other it was true competition to see who was best not who could sink the most time in.

[Shin96]

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But here's the thing. I never once participated in the Feast and if that's your base of frustration I can understand from what I read. When I say "work" for something, it means it should ultimately be worth it. 15k-20k wolf marks for 1-2 pieces each isn't much all things considered. Easy to get in fact. The currency doesn't lock you out so to speak; it's available in abundance at anytime.

My standards have never been to the point of toxic gatekeepeing, or having people miss out on an item forever. I wanted the gear so badly and was heavily disappointed when I found out you could only obtain it by being among the top 100.

I'm fine with whatever the developers come up with, I'd like to have the gear myself. I just didn't want it to be available for 2000 coins so to speak. Hence why I thought raising the cap high enough would be suitable because it's not that much in theory.

[Aelin_Ashryver]

But here's the thing. I never once participated in the Feast and if that's your base of frustration I can understand from what I read. When I say "work" for something, it means it should ultimately be worth it. 15k-20k wolf marks for 1-2 pieces each isn't much all things considered. Easy to get in fact. The currency doesn't lock you out so to speak; it's available in abundance at anytime.

My standards have never been to the point of toxic gatekeepeing, or having people miss out on an item forever. I wanted the gear so badly and was heavily disappointed when I found out you could only obtain it by being among the top 100.

I'm fine with whatever the developers come up with, I'd like to have the gear myself. I just didn't want it to be available for 2000 coins so to speak. Hence why I thought raising the cap high enough would be suitable because it's not that much in theory.

I understand not wanting it to be one pvp match and here is your set, that's fine I get it. But my first post to you I mentioned if they did the whole series pass, ie all ten levels which presumably is a pretty reasonable amount of work and as such people have 'earned' it in that sense. I adore PvP, being able to outplay someone give me the thrills, but finding myself locked out of something thanks to not having infinite time anymore is annoying. 1-2 games a day on a regular basis aught to be enough to get the rewards you want come the end of the series imo.

We agree on the lack of fomo being good at least, for what it's worth I'm sorry for being a condescending asshat. I am too used to discussions with pvpers just devolving into but "muh investment" Which to me just sounds like, "I was whipped ten times a day to get x gear therefore, you should be whipped at LEAST 5 times a day to get this thing or it's unfair" Players should not have had to suffer that crap in the first place and I don't want us all having to suffer something similar but a bit less poopy for the sake of "but I had to do this"

I am really hoping I love the new pvp, smaller scale solves my hatred of the tab target nightmare and I look forward to being able to work towards getting the old pvp rewards, just don't make it a 100 hour commitment for a bit of gear.

[Fryfor]

It's strange to see people cite that ancient Yoshi P interview when it's been proven time and time again that real prestige doesn't exist anywhere past the Feast. Onsal unique mount? Recycled to unreal. Ultimates, for being the hardest pieces of content in the game, are not time gated on release for both title and weapon. You can get them whenever. Same for every other achievement.

Fomo is just lazy reward structuring.

[Stormfur]

Yep, and limiting it to just 100 people per data center (with chunks of them alts/boosters/traders) is just insane. If ANYTHING cheapens your win, it's not that there's the possibility that more people can get these things, it's that there's a cluster of people who didn't put in nearly the time/effort that YOU did to get them. Yes, that would make me mad too, no doubt! Those are the people you should have an issue with, not those of us that would like to try for it too!

But conversely, I wouldn't ask that previous season rewards be given away. I want to participate and rank and do my best. I want to earn it too! But without the artificial gate that is so very easy to exploit.

And if this new mode does away with promotional qualifiers as they are now, I'll be beyond delighted. I loathe promotional qualifiers with every fiber of my soul.