On the subject of keepig the peace (The Grand Hunt)

[geekgirl101]

To be fair, Hunts were never made for people to organize large trains of people with specific rules. Obviously A and S ranks can't normally be done by a couple people at their intended level, but beyond that there's no rules against fighting them. If I find any that I can fight without calling in other people, I do. I tell no one except anyone I'm currently partied with. Because why should I? I saw it, I got to kill it. That's how Hunts work. Early bird gets the worm, you snooze you lose, etc. Even though it's annoying to have someone just run up and start fighting it, they're right; there's nothing in the ToS about fighting mobs. So I feel like any drama surrounding it is player-made and must be player-resolved. Govern yourselves, I guess.

And this is the kind of attitidue that brings unwanted drama and discord into the game. I do not spend 6+ hours or spend countless gil on items such as timeworn maps trying to spawn an S rank for a single selfish person to snipe it before I inform my friends and the rest of the community that covers hundreds if not thousands of players that it's been spawned to join in the fight and all receive the benefit. ToS or no ToS, leeching off someone else's hard work is disgusting and disgraceful and morally unacceptable, but thank you for announcing yourself so we know who else to avoid adding to our faithful community.

Did people fight about NM spawns back in FFXI? I didn't play with others much back then.

Yes they did, and that is why in the end SE changed NMs so they only dropped rare/ex gear to end the war between players and bots fighting over them for their highly prized rewards, not to mention rewards from NMs only went to 1 person and not everyone who was involved and that further increased the competition and drama over them. S ranks are not the same as NMs, everyone involved gets rewarded not just 1 person and many require joint effort of other players to spawn them, so to kill them solo especially if you weren't the one who spawned it is extremely selfish and disrespectful.

[Doozer]

And this is the kind of attitidue that brings unwanted drama and discord into the game. I do not spend 6+ hours or spend countless gil on items such as timeworn maps trying to spawn an S rank for a single selfish person to snipe it before I inform my friends and the rest of the community that covers hundreds if not thousands of players that it's been spawned to join in the fight and all receive the benefit. ToS or no ToS, leeching off someone else's hard work is disgusting and disgraceful and morally unacceptable, but thank you for announcing yourself so we know who else to avoid adding to our faithful community.

Buddy what are you talking about? I'm not part of your "community" and I never will be. Because I do Hunts without you. Duh. Acting like it's a threat to exclude me because I excluded you first is hilariously childish. Stay mad, I'm just playing the game the way it's intended. You can't compel a playstyle, remember?

[geekgirl101]

Buddy what are you talking about? I'm not part of your "community" and I never will be. Because I do Hunts without you. Duh. Acting like it's a threat to exclude me because I excluded you first is hilariously childish. Stay mad, I'm just playing the game the way it's intended. You can't compel a playstyle, remember?

I'm sure people will think more fondly of you for saying that.

[Doozer]

I'm sure people will think more fondly of you for saying that.

They won't because generally people don't think about me at all. Can you imagine a whole Hunt Discord whining about That Darn Dead Pixel that keeps sniping hunts? Probably not. I'm more-or-less invisible to you lot, so it's your choice to get mad about my actions. I won't be thinking about you, though.

[KageTokage]

They won't because generally people don't think about me at all. Can you imagine a whole Hunt Discord whining about That Darn Dead Pixel that keeps sniping hunts? Probably not. I'm more-or-less invisible to you lot, so it's your choice to get mad about my actions. I won't be thinking about you, though.

I will say from personal experience that yes, the hunt discords will recognize "problematic" individuals and start reacting accordingly to them regardless of them being affiliated with said discord or not if there is a distinct trend of them actively going after A/S ranks independently; though this often just provokes even more spiteful behavior from said individuals.

Of course, this could all be avoided by them just changing the hunts on a fundamental level that makes the behavior of either party have little bearing on how easily others can participate in the content.

Making the spawn windows of S ranks viewable at hunt scholars means it matters much less if some random player picks one off as you'll have a clear idea of when the next one might show up again.

Making the hunt live longer via some kind of buff-imposed damage cap would allow for fair participation even from players who aren't level 80 while reducing complaints from people not being able to make it to the hunts in time.

[Canadane]

Peoples reluctance to accept the fact that mobs, being hunts or otherwise, are open world content and free to anyone who wants it are the strange ones.
If anything, over-including people is hurting local communities. I've missed big fish windows because I couldn't zone into the area I needed thanks to 6 servers worth of players all huddled into The Tempest for an S rank. We need to STOP waiting for everyone and their grandma to make a new account to come get these hunts. Sure, have some community gathering for them but we don't need literally as many people as you can pack in.
It goes beyond just filling a zone instance too. Sometimes people have stuff to do and waiting 15 minutes just isn't cool with them. There's enough people so they pull, but hold up people were still on their way! So some "hero" of a tank tries to gain top enmity to pull the mob away and reset them, in hopes more people can get rewards. But all this does is negate all efforts current people have put towards the fight and is literally griefing by orders of GM moderation.

So not only do I disagree with your plight to get people to stop "pulling before you are personally ready" (the term "early pulling" isn't real), I will swing the other way and urge people to reconsider and just ...pull the dang thing as soon as you think enough has gathered. There'll always be other S ranks for people in the future.

[MilkieTea]

There'll always be other S ranks for people in the future.

This is something I feel is lost on most folks. There will ALWAYS be other S ranks for people in the future. ALWAYS. This isn't limited content, or something players will never have access to ever again. A ranks, S ranks, they'll always come back.

[Besame]

Peoples reluctance to accept the fact that mobs, being hunts or otherwise, are open world content and free to anyone who wants it are the strange ones.
If anything, over-including people is hurting local communities. I've missed big fish windows because I couldn't zone into the area I needed thanks to 6 servers worth of players all huddled into The Tempest for an S rank. We need to STOP waiting for everyone and their grandma to make a new account to come get these hunts. Sure, have some community gathering for them but we don't need literally as many people as you can pack in.
It goes beyond just filling a zone instance too. Sometimes people have stuff to do and waiting 15 minutes just isn't cool with them. There's enough people so they pull, but hold up people were still on their way! So some "hero" of a tank tries to gain top enmity to pull the mob away and reset them, in hopes more people can get rewards. But all this does is negate all efforts current people have put towards the fight and is literally griefing by orders of GM moderation.

So not only do I disagree with your plight to get people to stop "pulling before you are personally ready" (the term "early pulling" isn't real), I will swing the other way and urge people to reconsider and just ...pull the dang thing as soon as you think enough has gathered. There'll always be other S ranks for people in the future.

I was in the new EW hunt train on my server and a few times people had the nerve to ask other regular questers to leave due to the horrid congestion in the instances. My jaw dropped and I lol'd. Amazing, entitled much? lmao Side note: the hunts I did yesterday died really fast so early pullers are an issue with so many people on those new bosses.

[Jojoya]

And this is the kind of attitidue that brings unwanted drama and discord into the game.

The drama is happening because players like you feel you should be able to impose your rules on others for your personal convenience.

It doesn't work that way. The Hunt is open world content. The developer's intent for the content is that marks are kill on sight. The players you are reporting are doing nothing wrong. You, on the other hand, could be in violation of the ToS for trying to create trouble for them.

Should the developers reconsider how the Hunt works now that the player base is several times what they had expected it to be? Possibly. It's at the point where it's getting hard for all the players who would like to participate to be able to do so.

But if you want them to consider redesigning the Hunt, you're going about it the wrong way. Why should they listen to you when you are harassing others who are playing through content as intended?

As for Croakadile, Laideronette, Garlok, etc. - we know in advance when they're going to spawn. Be in the zone a couple of minutes before they spawn instead of waiting until after.