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    Quote Originally Posted by Nekaru_Infitima View Post
    You completely misunderstood what I meant, not surprising.

    I'm saying you're not sincere, and no one here is, because if he wasn't known you wouldn't give a d**n.

    Asmon plays this game, not his mom. If something happened to Asmon, the topics and memorials would make sense, he was a part of the community, just as the person that said FC mates and friends get memorials. But his mom? Give a card, give your condolences, but the memorials are dumb. She did not play this game, she was not part of the community. Making a memorial in a game she did not play is for you, not her.

    By making a memorial or topic outside of talking to him, himself. You are literally doing this for attention and virtue signaling. It is fake. It is insincere. It is a sick 'hey I'm sad for him, everyone else be sad for him to show how much we suck up to him as fans on this forum.'

    Step back and ask yourself why in the wanting to comfort someone you feel the need to post it on a forum that his mother does not frequent? Wrong course of action to show that you care.
    Don't really care who someone is or how popular they are. I can still genuinely sympathize with their loss and be sincere about it. I think the sad part of this thread (aside from the aforementioned loss) is that being an empathetic human being needs to be justified somehow to some. To that I say...go pound sand. I mean that sincerely as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vahlnir View Post
    Don't really care who someone is or how popular they are. I can still genuinely sympathize with their loss and be sincere about it. I think the sad part of this thread (aside from the aforementioned loss) is that being an empathetic human being needs to be justified somehow to some. To that I say...go pound sand. I mean that sincerely as well.
    It's not being empathetic. It's being insensitive.

    Okay story time!

    Several years back when I still made AMVs. I had an online friend who also made AMVs, their parent died. So to try to 'help' I made an AMV dedicated to them/their parent as a gift, like so many do.
    A mutual friend called it insensitive, the friend said nothing. At the time I did not know why, they did not explain.

    Several years later, I realized it and took the video down. When stepping back and actually analyzing the situation. I did not know this persons parent who died, I knew the friend, not the parent. Who was I to make a dedication to someone I didn't know? How did a dedication help any? It didn't, it was more for show, to SHOW the friend that I cared, and our mutuals that I cared that the friend was sad. But it was the wrong way to go about doing it. It was more for me to feel that I showed that I cared, and everyone knew it, and the rest of us to show we cared in union, than for the person who passed, as we did not know them.

    That video meant nothing to that friend, than giving that friend a shoulder to cry on, to talk to, or giving your condolences would have. It was a show of sympathy rather than ACTUAL empathy.

    You want to be sincere? Message the man yourself, and talk to him about all the good times and memories, and give him a shoulder to cry on.

    Don't virtue signal on a forum and make memorials that do nothing but show how 'group sad' you are.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nekaru_Infitima View Post
    It's not being empathetic. It's being insensitive.

    .Don't virtue signal on a forum and make memorials that do nothing but show how 'group sad' you are.
    Honestly, we have nothing more to discuss here. I've said my piece and you have said yours. There's no agreement to be had, so let's agree to disagree. Have a nice day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Payadopa View Post
    To be fair, that makes a bit more sense to me. You derived joy out of something and, in turn, wanting to give back. I'm just wondering for how many people here is that actually the case? Do these people come across an obituary and suddenly feel the need to tell the family their condolences? Because that is what it feels like to me. I don't know. For me that's weird. Also, some in here seem to conflate indifference with malice. That is not the case. At least not for me. No matter. People be people. Just my two Gil.
    It doesn't even matter.
    Even if you didn't know who he is and what his mom meant to him and how involved she was you can still offer condolences.
    Just because you don't care on some deep emotional level doesn't mean that it's disingenuous it's just basic level humanity.

    By your logic and with your mindset no one can ever offer condolences unless it's a direct family member or someone you know closely because there will literally always be clout chasers and people who are disingenuous.
    And this is just entirely ignoring the entire context of this situation and really makes it fairly obvious to me that a lot of people here don't even know how much he talked about her and how she showed up on stream how a connection was built with her.
    Anyone who has watched his streams know how much she meant to him and the presence she had.

    No one here is conflating indifference with malice, if people were indifferent they wouldn't be commenting altogether.
    What is happening in this thread IS malice.

    You can feel however you want about it but don't project those feelings unto other people.


    Edit: As a side note he did talk about how he read peoples well-wishes to her and that it did make her feel better.
    She did pay a lot of attention and it did matter to her.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nekaru_Infitima View Post
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    ngl, this whole comment is pretty disgusting to me. You do you, I guess.

    Reading through this thread now that I've ended work for today, I gotta say I'm very disappointed in a handful of people in this thread. How can you be so cold and cruel to spur your hatred for a twitch persona when his mom past away. This is not the time and place. If you have nothing to say, just zip it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Canadane View Post
    I'm sorry to tell you but this is a losing battle.
    imagine to pick that hill to die on.
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    Last edited by Sotaris; 11-02-2021 at 01:36 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nekaru_Infitima View Post
    Don't virtue signal on a forum and make memorials that do nothing but show how 'group sad' you are.
    I'm sorry to tell you but this is a losing battle.
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