Extreme over correction in ToS? New ToS is going to kill pugging

[lezard21]

"I think [Lakshmi] will go more smoothly if we do [Vril], so I want to try doing it this way, is that okay with everyone?" - it is not a violation to suggest one's own opinion/policy or to present a counterproposal to an opinion,

Then one person replies "No, I'm not ok with that" and you can't force him to do it your way nor can you kick him cause ban

[Xirean]

Then one person replies "No, I'm not ok with that" and you can't force him to do it your way nor can you kick him cause ban

Difference of play-style is a valid reason for a kick.

[rewd]

Difference of play-style is a valid reason for a kick.

If player B is not asking for any advice, player A cannot force player B to play a specific way.

You guys really need to read the ToS.

[Xirean]

You guys really need to read the ToS.

Kicking someone is not forcing a play style on them. It's getting away from them. Also an example that I talked out with support. This was from another thread but I think it's relevant to this conversation.

[rewd]

Kicking someone is not forcing a play style on them. It's getting away from them. Also an example that I talked out with support. This was from another thread but I think it's relevant to this conversation.

Seriously, read the ToS.

Obstructing Gameplay Using Combat
Refers to an act of obstructive behaviour such as using specific skills in an unintended manner or taking advantage of battle mechanics to interfere with the gameplay of other players.
Key Points
It is prohibited to interfere with the combat of others in the following manner:

Using actions during combat to cause other players to fall from platforms or field areas to incapacitate them.
Using and manipulating enmity-related actions in an effort to incapacitate other players or interfere with gameplay.
Gathering groups of enemies to obstruct the view of others.

A tank being petty and not doing the job they queued up for and intentionally letting people die is not "difference in playstyle" and it has its own section in the ToS.

Me telling the healer to DPS and the healer answering "I only heal" is, on the other hand, a difference in playstyle. And you can't kick someone for it.

[Xirean]

Seriously, read the ToS.



A tank being petty and not doing the job they queued up for and intentionally letting people die is not "difference in playstyle" and it has its own section in the ToS.

Me telling the healer to DPS and the healer answering "I only heal" is, on the other hand, a difference in playstyle. And you can't kick someone for it.

Hey man I'm just posting what the support guy told me. Do with that what you will.

[rewd]

Hey man I'm just posting what the support guy told me. Do with that what you will.

We have a freshly updated ToS that classifies your example as "obstructing gameplay" and states, multiple times, that you can't force anything on another player.

I guess you could report a different playstyle if something like this happens:

"Hey, we can handle big pulls, can you do them? They are also a lot of fun"
"I don't care".

But somehow I have my doubts

[Ronduwil]

Hey man I'm just posting what the support guy told me. Do with that what you will.

You're posting what the support guy told you prior to yesterday, when they updated the ToS. That's why he's telling you to read the new ToS. Note the "we will see where this goes," in the support rep's reply. Now we've seen where it went. Keep skirting the edges of propriety at your own peril.

[Kuya420]

Seriously, read the ToS.



A tank being petty and not doing the job they queued up for and intentionally letting people die is not "difference in playstyle" and it has its own section in the ToS.

Me telling the healer to DPS and the healer answering "I only heal" is, on the other hand, a difference in playstyle. And you can't kick someone for it.

what about if its a scholar that says "my pet is my heal" and refuses to do any other healing outside their pet, which isnt even half of their healing? and is only automatic and doesnt use skills associated with the pet? ie queues as scholar but basically plays as a summoner

[Bellsong]

Me telling the healer to DPS and the healer answering "I only heal" is, on the other hand, a difference in playstyle. And you can't kick someone for it.

Lord knows I will though.