Extreme over correction in ToS? New ToS is going to kill pugging

[MPK]

Square's new ToS is going to absolutely kill pugging next tier. Let's take a look at some of their prohibited behaviors and provide examples on how this is going to kill pugging.

1. Expressions that compel a playing style
If someone hops into a PF and plays as pure healer and you call them out on it, you can now get banned for it. This is insane, I don't want a pure healer in my party. It's not even possible to clear with a pure healer on week 1.


2. Expressions that attempt to unilaterally exclude someone from the game or content/community, etc.
What? Now I can't kick players that join a part 3 prog party if they're still stuck on part 1? What if the person accidentally joined a part 3 party and thought it was fresh prog? Am I going to get banned for asking them if they know how to do part 2?

3. Expressions that provoke or belittle another person, such as excessive criticism, negation/ridicule
More specifically `"It's [player name]'s fault that we wiped"`. I guess it's now illegal to point out what caused a wipe the previous pull in a prog party. Have fun progressing on mechanics like light rampant where it's extremely difficult to find out why there was a wipe without another person's pov.

Link: https://support.na.square-enix.com/f...la=1&kid=68216

[Poporito_Popoto]

Square's new ToS is going to absolutely kill pugging next tier. Let's take a look at some of their prohibited behaviors and provide examples on how this is going to kill pugging.

1. Expressions that compel a playing style
If someone hops into a PF and plays as pure healer and you call them out on it, you can now get banned for it. This is insane, I don't want a pure healer in my party. It's not even possible to clear with a pure healer on week 1.


2. Expressions that attempt to unilaterally exclude someone from the game or content/community, etc.
What? Now I can't kick players that join a part 3 prog party if they're still stuck on part 1? What if the person accidentally joined a part 3 party and thought it was fresh prog? Am I going to get banned for asking them if they know how to do part 2?

3. Expressions that provoke or belittle another person, such as excessive criticism, negation/ridicule
More specifically `"It's [player name]'s fault that we wiped"`. I guess it's now illegal to point out there was a wipe the previous pull in a prog party. Have fun progressing on mechanics like light rampant where it's extremely difficult to find out why there was a wipe without another person's pov.

Do you even pug?

[Handsareus]

Its not even "its [player name]'s fault" (which is kinda a problem) its the fact that "you make alot of mistakes" is bannable. wtf were they thinking, this is the nicest way to correcting someone if they are specifically wiping a group and arent understanding the mech or just generally making alot of mistakes. "why are we wiping?" "someone keeps clipping me in light rampant" "who?" "so and so" "this is the 5th time so and so" "You make alot of mistakes" *banned* wtf?? literally in a static where we have dps fucking up on light rampant and we have been on that mech for 4 days. they know they are fucking up and we keep telling them "pay attention" "stop clipping ppl with proteans" until now they finally corrected themselves, so now we are moving on cuz we keep telling them "they are making alot of mistakes". some ppl are just slow learners or hard headed and need to have it drilled into their head. the fact you cant say it in a nice way in PF is beyond me

[Darkobra]

If you're worried about rules changing so you have to speak to people politely, it really says more about you.

[Handsareus]

If you're worried about rules changing so you have to speak to people politely, it really says more about you.

you cant even politely correct someone youll get banned

[Aluja89]

Where are you even reading all that, I'm not seeing anything close to what you're describing?

[MPK]

Where are you even reading all that, I'm not seeing anything close to what you're describing?

Oh man playing this game without reading, understanding, and memorizing the ToS is a very dangerous game.

[Aluja89]

Oh man playing this game without reading, understanding, and memorizing the ToS is a very dangerous game.

Haha no I know the basics I mean I have the new update infront of me but I'm not seeing anything that'd give me penalty points for the things you're worried about.

https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes...ca93e6cb552c29

[MPK]

Haha no I know the basics I mean I have the new update infront of me but I'm not seeing anything that'd give me penalty points for the things you're worried about.

https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes...ca93e6cb552c29

First link in that
https://support.na.square-enix.com/f...la=1&kid=68216

[Laphicet]

Where are you even reading all that, I'm not seeing anything close to what you're describing?

I swear some of these points they make are ripped near identically from a thread on r/ffxivdiscussion on reddit, namely the thread discussing the rule changes in general... I actually think I know the comment it was ripped from. Will edit it in if I find it.

EDIT: it's not a rip from one specific comment, but rather borrowing from several existing comments.

And the Op here does make legit points, but I don't know if it's a case of nothing is new under the sun or if they're just taking comments made elsewhere and reframing them in a provocative manner. Or just stating them on their own and letting infamy do the work.