Can SQ-EN draw a line in the sand w/ 3rd Parties?

[Nothv13]

As long as it's a person playing using the mouse and keypad, I personally don't care. I know that as a console player, I probably won't be able to perform as well as a good mouse-and-keyboard player, but it doesn't matter to me. I'm not playing the game to be 100% percentile. I enjoy the controller support greatly and think it's genius. And correct me if I'm wrong but can't console players connect a mouse and a keyboard to the Play Station and play like PC players? I've never tried this, so I don't know.

As for the housing exploits, they're, again, not harming anyone and it's a person taking the time and having the patience to play around with them and everyone can use them (as far as I know and unless there's another program they use that allows for stuff that the glitching doesn't).

Lemme repeat one more time: People here are discussing stuff that gives an advantage to some people over others by automating stuff for them. They're not picking up pitchforks and going for the entirety of the EULA.

Yes they can connect a mouse and keyboard but functionality varies. They also can't use the software of these keypads and mice which leaves many of their advantages unusable. One advantage would be being able to use macros without delays, reduce combos down to one button, macro oGCDs for perfect timing. Your logic here literally applies to everything but bots. Even cactbot still requires the person to actually play and pay attention.

[Eien713]

Yes they can connect a mouse and keyboard but functionality varies. They also can't use the software of these keypads and mice which leaves many of their advantages unusable. One advantage would be being able to use macros without delays, reduce combos down to one button, macro oGCDs for perfect timing.

In that case, I'd say the advantages do sound unfair but I'm not willing to delve into that debate. I honestly don't care enough about parses to wanna die on this hill.

Your logic here literally applies to everything but bots. Even cactbot still requires the person to actually play and pay attention.

It still gives you an advantage since a person can get distracted, can panic and forget stuff or mess up, etc. but a program doesn't. No one said Cactbot plays the game for you or makes it so mechanics don't matter or you don't have to pay attention, just that it gives an undeniable advantage by removing the possible human-error factor when it comes to making call-outs or noticing mechanics for yourself (sometimes apparently going as far as telling you what to do).

[Nothv13]

In that case, I'd say the advantages do sound unfair but I'm not willing to delve into that debate. I honestly don't care enough about parses to wanna die on this hill.



It still gives you an advantage since a person can get distracted, can panic and forget stuff or mess up, etc. but a program doesn't. No one said Cactbot plays the game for you or makes it so mechanics don't matter or you don't have to pay attention, just that it gives an undeniable advantage by removing the possible human-error factor when it comes to making call-outs.

So it simply does the job of a really good shot caller. The amount of errors I've seen in streams from really good shot callers has been pretty much zero, outside of them trolling. Quite literally you'd have no clue these things existed if someone didn't bring them up every now and then. I would in no way call that harmful particularly since SE's line has been harassment and forced use of these addons. As long as they actually stick with that the harm is virtually nothing.

[LittleImp]

So it simply does the job of a really good shot caller.

This has explained ~5 times previously in this thread, but here's a summation of the points of why comparing Cactbot to a human shot-caller is incredibly disingenuous:

Cactbot can :
- Make eight, individual, unique callouts to eight different people simultaneously and instantly.
- React with what is effectively a 0ms delay to mechanics
- Accurately call certain mechanics that haven't even been telegraphed on the client yet.
- Show a graphical list with exact countdowns to upcoming mechanics.
- Never make a single mistake while doing all of this.


How does it do all of this?

By invasively reading obfuscated game-data directly out of memory, or via intercepting network traffic.

[Nothv13]

This has explained ~5 times previously in this thread, but here's a summation of the points of why comparing Cactbot to a human shot-caller is incredibly disingenuous:

Cactbot can :
- Make eight, individual, unique callouts to eight different people simultaneously and instantly.
- React with what is effectively a 0ms delay to mechanics
- Accurately call certain mechanics that haven't even been telegraphed on the client yet.
- Show a graphical list with exact countdowns to upcoming mechanics.
- Never make a single mistake while doing all of this.


How does it do all of this?

By invasively reading obfuscated game-data directly out of memory, or via intercepting network traffic.

And you still wouldn't have any idea it existed if someone didn't see it. ACT has been around in FFXIV for 8 years, Cactbot for 4 years (2 expansions) so they are in no way new or something that has effected the game in some insidious negative way when it comes to the way people enjoy the game. No fights are made with it in mind. It is not updated fast enough to make a difference in world firsts. Anyone that requires it can be banned. Anyone that uses functions of it to harass someone can be banned. Get back to me when they start designing the game around it and they start caring about the race for world first.