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  1. #221
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    Loonies's Avatar
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    Loonies Fairytales
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    Odin
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    White Mage Lv 90
    After i have seen all the marvelous story with my white mage i will play a Paladin. I will see what my team mates do, specially the healer. I they like more slow go, no problem for me, i like that too. If the healer says, no problem just pull faster i will try that too.
    For me its just communication and this works in FF14 fine for me so far. With the sprout sign i heard often from the tank that i just should let him know when its to fast for me. So probably my writing will be as a Paladin, just let me know when its too slow.
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  2. #222
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    Poporito_Popoto's Avatar
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    Calamity J'aina
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    Rafflesia
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    Quote Originally Posted by SamsaraTrickstar View Post
    Read what I did say in the posts here . I am sick to say the same things over and over.
    Read what everyone else is saying. They are sick of saying the same things over and over.
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  3. #223
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    Rein_eon_Osborne's Avatar
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    Mira Clearweaver
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    Jenova
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    Conjurer Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Poporito_Popoto View Post
    Read what everyone else is saying. They are sick of saying the same things over and over.
    For somebody who seem to be looking for communication in-game, funny that they don't seem to be receptive to one in forum.
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  4. #224
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    SamsaraTrickstar's Avatar
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    Samsara Trickster
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    Quote Originally Posted by Poporito_Popoto View Post
    Read what everyone else is saying. They are sick of saying the same things over and over.
    No no this is a different problem. He is new and just don't read what was going on. As for the rest we going in circles.we each got different opinions and it's ok.
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  5. #225
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rein_eon_Osborne View Post
    For somebody who seem to be looking for communication in-game, funny that they don't seem to be receptive to one in forum.
    Well there so many times you can say the same thing before it get stupid. If people have something new to say then good.if not then this post did it's point. It show the 2 opinion and clearly show the popular one.
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  6. #226
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    Reaper Lv 90
    I dunno man, i play mmo's to experience the adventuring with others. That includes the whole communicating aspect. I kind of agree, would be nice for more communication in dungeons while passing the time.... But it's not possible because the battle system does not allow for it
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  7. #227
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    MaxCarnage's Avatar
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    Adiah Highborn
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    Faerie
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    Scholar Lv 52
    Quote Originally Posted by SturmChurro View Post
    Rescuing a tank like that is actually griefing and probably against the ToS.
    I may not agree with it, but that's not griefing. They're not rescuing the tank into death. It's not force-wiping and it's not MPK. They are the healer, they are keeping them alive. It may be annoying, sure, but griefing? That's a pretty far stretch.
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  8. #228
    Player Kolaina's Avatar
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    Hazy Dreams
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    Balmung
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    Marauder Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by SamsaraTrickstar View Post
    ongoing banter
    You aren’t great at communicating yourself. Specifically the receiving end. It isn’t only considered communicating when just your message gets across. Other people’s opinions matter as well. But you’re cutting them off because it’s not the same message as your own. Other people can be correct you know. Just cause it’s different doesn’t make it wrong
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  9. #229
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    Zara Diaspora
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    Excalibur
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    Quote Originally Posted by SamsaraTrickstar View Post
    so much people just want to speed run / rush any content and never even care to see of the rest of the party is up to it. as a tank its extremely frustrating as people liek this never want to communicate and force the way they want to play on you.
    what you think of this?
    For some, it's the fact that the instance has been ran so many times that aspects are mind-numbing. That isn't to say these dungeons aren't beautiful. I still enjoy hullbreaker isle by just being outside. Wanderer's Palace (HM), it still gets me every time the tonberry asks if we're here to help them, I get pumped. It doesn't make damage dealing part any better.

    There's also the reward, for a lot of people the only reward is clearing your dailies or putting a new sticker on Khloe's book. I will say that I'm not a huge fan of the large amounts of flashy aoe's that come with everyone putting multiple mobs into one area and seeing a ton of holy's and other aoe's. For me, it's annoying. It doesn't mean I do not accept the fact that pulling multiple groups of mobs is the way to go.

    If you're not comfortable with pulling that many, communicate that. Same goes for other party members. Do not have a keyboard? well then..your hands are tied. When I say comfortable I mean you either do no like pulling that much or can't.

    Experiencing content you should be aware that there is a baseline of what people expect from everyone. The older or easier the content gets due to the players item level, the quicker instances can be completed. This means you can move on to your next task, and there's nothing wrong with that.

    There isn't much to benefit from pulling groups of 3, when you can pull more and perform the same task and take the mobs out in the same amount of time as you could with just pulling 3.

    There are so many variants with why people play the way they do. Our job, as players, is to come to a common ground and strive to be better. If you can take 6 mobs right now, try for 9. Not every healer is going to keep you alive, not every DPS is going to perform perfect rotations, not every tank is going to mitigate damage the same way.

    Some might feel this is "caving in" on both sides. In the end if you have a tank / healer that can't handle those large pulls or if the DPS is too slow (I'm looking at you BLM with Dawn Wristguards! People playing as their class and not jobs so they can say they aren't drinking the Kool-Aid!) Then the party needs to make adjustments. Maybe that means talking it out, maybe that means someone leaving or being kicked.

    This isn't a new mentality, and it isn't something that happens just in the game. Think about certain parts of real life where you take your time at first but as you get more efficient you can go a bit faster, get more done. Almost like when you're driving and you get behind someone who is going 10 miles slower, or going the speed limit on the dot and the moment they go uphill their speed goes down another 5 miles. Some people get frustrated, because you know you can go faster, do a bit better and get to where you need to be on time. That person going slower is just making things harder for everyone. At the same time, the jerk going 15 miles over the speed limit and cuts you off just so they can make an immediate turn forcing you to break hard isn't much better.

    From my perspective, that's how I view this and in the end it's the matter of someone wanting to put in the work or being comfortable with the level of skill they are at, thinking of themselves and no one else. Just know there are consequences to such actions.

    I wish you luck and hope you're still tanking for Endwalker!
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    Last edited by Leigaon; 10-27-2021 at 01:22 AM.

  10. #230
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    SturmChurro's Avatar
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    Sturm Churro
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    Marilith
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    Quote Originally Posted by MaxCarnage View Post
    I may not agree with it, but that's not griefing. They're not rescuing the tank into death. It's not force-wiping and it's not MPK. They are the healer, they are keeping them alive. It may be annoying, sure, but griefing? That's a pretty far stretch.
    It is griefing. That is not the purpose of rescue. This is forcing a playstyle on another player, just running ahead and pulling is one thing, but not pulling a player into mobs. I'm sure it wouldn't be bannable unless the player who is rescuing actually stated their intent in chat though.

    For that matter, yeah, I already know all the explanations, and the supposed altruism of the people "rescuing" said players. Those arguments are mostly nonsense in my opinion, players just want to go fast, and don't care if they force that playstyle on others. Like, don't get me wrong, I prefer wall to wall pulls, but please people, don't sit atop a high horse, or downplay what is being done. It's frankly annoying, and goes on way too often in these sort of threads.
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    Last edited by SturmChurro; 10-27-2021 at 01:07 AM.
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