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  1. #11
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    Acece's Avatar
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    Acece Ace
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    Diabolos
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    Samurai Lv 90
    Ast + most damaging healer (or 2nd if ast is top DPS). Ast free healing is just too powerful to ever give up especially since they can solo heal everything.
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  2. #12
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    Waxillium Larede
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    Twintania
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    Machinist Lv 100
    I think AST/SGE or AST/SCH, I'm more inclined towards AST/SGE because Sch having to drop 100 potency for every non recitation Aetherflow heal may hurt it in the long run while Sge can basically use all of its heals for free, in the end it all depends on how chain stratagem scales, if it does really well Ast/Sch may be the meta but if I'm honest even if that's the situation I hope not many players raid with Sch so SE can finally see they need to add changes to the class

    Whm is pretty much dead tho
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    Quote Originally Posted by IttyBitty View Post
    Emnity management is a group responsibility, HP management is a group responsibility, Mitigation is a group responsibility ,DPS is a group responsibility
    Anybody saying "I only want to <x>" just tells me they are lazy and selfish.

  3. #13
    Player Mortex's Avatar
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    Rigor Mortex
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    Odin
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    Astrologian Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by VictoriaLuv View Post
    this why scholar/ast needs have tool kit nerfed hard. cause white mage never be added to the meta

    Ast/scholar... Ast/sage meta

    white mage is trash always be trash dont expect it to be in any savage cause not viable at all
    It’s just the problem that they try to have white mage be the new player friendly healer. If they would do some minor tweaks on the abilities whm has now it would actually be pretty decent. Give assize 2 charges so you aren’t force to press it on cd. Make lilybell 2 minutes, make it that bension can crit and make lily spells ogcd. These changes would make the job so much stronger that it is now. Also change thin air from 1 spell to 10 seconds with 2 charges, giving you options were you use it in fights and not like a maniac on cd or you run out of mana.
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  4. #14
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    Marius Heilstos
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    Odin
    Main Class
    Astrologian Lv 100
    his why scholar/ast needs have tool kit nerfed hard.
    Hey Vicotria,

    Why nerf 2 Jobs instand of buffing one Job? WHM have there Fanbase (I dont mean Mortex xP He's a WHM traitor who will play sage C: )
    I belive a lot of Player use the white magic anyways. And the contant is not so hard to say WHM is not allowed to use. If you make speedkills not but that is not the Point here! Funfact 85% of the toolkit from Sage is the toolkit from the SCH. xD
    The Point is like "NERF EVERY HEALER TO MAKE WHITEMAGE GREAT AGAIN!!!"

    The question is what is the EW Meta in your Opinion? And not what Healer Jobs should be destroy to comes your wishes meta comes true!
    So the Doomspeaking here should stop till the end of the Dragonwarsong or the first Pada. Raid.
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  5. #15
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    Mansion Viscera
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    Louisoix
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    Sage Lv 100
    I'm of the mindset that raid buffs are always the way to go for the min-maxing meta, so AST/SCH in theory. SCH's buff being less important in early crit stats, SGE might shine there (also because the Media Tour build makes it quite strong).
    WHM is seemingly fine but I don't think its Glare potency can make the difference, rDPS wise.
    And in terms of healing kits, it's difficult to predict without knowing much about the amount of actual healing needed. But I do feel what we know of WHM's Lilybell is a bit underwhelming / very niche compared to AST's rain of stars thing, or SGE stacks of shields spell.


    The big unknown is if we are to see encounter design changes that would make a difference in how we rank healers. Because currently it is all about oGCD heals and DPS. But if we are to GCD heal more, perhaps things could change.
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  6. #16
    Player Mortex's Avatar
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    Rigor Mortex
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    Odin
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    Astrologian Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Heilstos View Post
    Hey Vicotria,

    Why nerf 2 Jobs instand of buffing one Job? WHM have there Fanbase (I dont mean Mortex xP He's a WHM traitor who will play sage C: )
    I belive a lot of Player use the white magic anyways. And the contant is not so hard to say WHM is not allowed to use. If you make speedkills not but that is not the Point here! Funfact 85% of the toolkit from Sage is the toolkit from the SCH. xD
    The Point is like "NERF EVERY HEALER TO MAKE WHITEMAGE GREAT AGAIN!!!"

    The question is what is the EW Meta in your Opinion? And not what Healer Jobs should be destroy to comes your wishes meta comes true!
    So the Doomspeaking here should stop till the end of the Dragonwarsong or the first Pada. Raid.
    I’m a whm traitor since end stormblood…… the job just gets punched in the nuts every expansion. We both know people either play whm because it’s shiny and so “beautiful”, they are masochistic or some people are die hard whm player. I mean of course you still gonna clear every content with every job but why is white mage the only healer getting handicapped by his stigma as new player friendly healer.
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  7. #17
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    Character
    Deceptus Keelon
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    Behemoth
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    Sage Lv 90
    It's going to be AST/SGE, pretty clear. Unless some major changes are made to WHM/SCH in the 6.1 patch.
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    Veteran healers don't care if we need to heal, but right now we don't. We want interesting things to do during the downtime other than a 30s dot and a single filler spell that hasn't changed from lvl 4 to lvl 90.
    Dead DPS do no DPS. Raised DPS do 25/50% lower DPS. Do the mechanics and don't stand in bad stuff.
    Other games expect basic competence, FFXIV is pleasantly surprised by it. Other games have toxic elitism. FFXIV has toxic casualism.[/LIST]

  8. #18
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    Mansion's Avatar
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    Mansion Viscera
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    Louisoix
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    Sage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Deceptus View Post
    It's going to be AST/SGE, pretty clear. Unless some major changes are made to WHM/SCH in the 6.1 patch.
    They can make significant changes between launch and Savage Pandaemonium 4 weeks later though. They did it for 5.0 AST.
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  9. #19
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    Cain Andleft
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    Malboro
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    Red Mage Lv 100
    WHM nerfed - may have less healers because people can't spam Cure II anymore without facing repercussions so a brain is required, but overall WHM players will be better as a result.
    AST - MP is still really strong, so people will probably pick this even if they can't use the delayed skills well, because they can just spam Benefic II.

    New Meta is AST/SCH or AST/SGE.
    SCH if encounter design changes to be movement heavy for safety and for chain strategem. SGE for something a bit more than just Broil Spam and for high-mobility team compositions.
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  10. #20
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    Character
    Gunther Frey
    World
    Balmung
    Main Class
    Scholar Lv 90
    AST is the only thing that seems set in stone atm with how powerful it's toolkit is, which shield healer ends up being the top pick is going to depend on the player steering it and what the static wants as a whole.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nyarlha View Post
    In the end, every change, every design choice, is up to the devs. If they decided to go one way with an element of gameplay or a job, acting like they kicked your dog on the forums isn't going to change anything. At some point, you have to cut your losses or you're just wasting energy being so emotionnaly invested into something that won't change.

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