Summoner is a Final Fantasy 14 summoner (not a warlock wow clone)

[aveyond-dreams]

It also helps our case when you consider Summoner’s thematically are Warlocks.

Thank you for demonstrating that you have no context of the job's theme in the entire rest of the series, where they are absolutely nothing that I would call a "warlock." The objective reality is that the devs agreed with players that the job had reached total stagnation and that it was too far removed from what a Final Fantasy summoner is, with mechanics that made people's experience with the class miserable.

It has already been explained numerous times why the poison magic and broken pet AI had to go, no matter how much of a "sign of skill!" it was to battle against such mechanics while every other job in game had great flow to it. Once again, if what brought you to summoner was poison magic then this was not the class to co opt to turn into poison mage. You had 8 years to experience FFXIV's affliction warlock-now that it is finally a true summoner, I suggest you wait patiently for Necromancer to be released just how I and many others had to wait for an actual summoner to be added to this game.

In any case, I do not believe this thread should be bumped further so any more of these recycled "SMN is a poison mage! You just need to learn to play the game! You didn't even try the class! It's supposed to be unique!!! You're obsessed with graphics!" posts will just be responded to in the front page where I've collected the more *interesting* takes some of these affliction warlocks have had and to save people from having to read the same disproven arguments over and over again.

6.0 can't come soon enough.

[Rolder50]

Thank you for demonstrating that you have no context of the job's theme in the entire rest of the series, where they are absolutely nothing that I would call a "warlock." The objective reality is that the devs agreed with players that the job had reached total stagnation and that it was too far removed from what a Final Fantasy summoner is, with mechanics that made people's experience with the class miserable.

It has already been explained numerous times why the poison magic and broken pet AI had to go, no matter how much of a "sign of skill!" it was to battle against such mechanics while every other job in game had great flow to it. Once again, if what brought you to summoner was poison magic then this was not the class to co opt to turn into poison mage. You had 8 years to experience FFXIV's affliction warlock-now that it is finally a true summoner, I suggest you wait patiently for Necromancer to be released just how I and many others had to wait for an actual summoner to be added to this game.

In any case, I do not believe this thread should be bumped further so any more of these recycled "SMN is a poison mage! You just need to learn to play the game! You didn't even try the class! It's supposed to be unique!!! You're obsessed with graphics!" posts will just be responded to in the front page where I've collected the more *interesting* takes some of these affliction warlocks have had and to save people from having to read the same disproven arguments over and over again.

6.0 can't come soon enough.

I'd like to reiterate a point I've made a few times before. That being, I don't see how a primal coming down, giving you a buff, and leaving, makes you a summoner. Give the current summoner primal models instead of egis and you have 100000x more class fantasy.

[Taranok]

I'd like to reiterate a point I've made a few times before. That being, I don't see how a primal coming down, giving you a buff, and leaving, makes you a summoner. Give the current summoner primal models instead of egis and you have 100000x more class fantasy.

Basically, there's 2 ways you can be a summoner. One, you can summon a pet and act through the pet. Think DAoC necromancer or what they tried to do with demi phoenix/bahamut where it mimics your GCDs. They could make that the primary core of the class. 2, you can channel abilities of a primal, such as directly casting ifrit erruptions or ramuh lightning strikes.

EW Summoner went with a hybrid of both. You directly summon major summons (pets) but they act on their own while you channel individual abilities yourself, and then you do partial summons to channel the abilities which are used as a reason to basically shake up the rotation depending on which summon is out.

Both are good implementations and both capture the feel of a summoner, but one is very much a final fantasy summoner without replacing the party, and the other is FFXIV's way of expressing this without basically turning the summoner into a permanent Anima or Yojimbo as has been done in past FF games.

It's an unfortunate limitation of how FFXIV is coded in some capacity, but the pets aren't responsive enough to be allowed to do things on their own, and short of having a rotation where you command a pet to do things but it's really just echoing your GCDs, this is a good compromise.

[rewd]

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My favourite Final Fantasy game is IV, and Rydia is one of my favourite characters. She is cool and being able to summon beasts that help you by using big attacks is amazing. You said that XIV's version of a summoner is a real summoner now, so I'm pretty excited to play it. Out of excitement, I'm checking its kit right now. I'm slightly confused though, so I hope you can help me here.

As I'm seeing, you get... A weird, shiny rat? Must be a summon I don't know, I don't remember it in IV. Doesn't seem very threatening, but it doesn't matter. But... Why does it stay there? Like, all the time? Not really doing anything...? Oh, he is casting a buff, I guess? But isn't he supposed to be going away? Oh right, he is going away now. Is this a chicken nugget? Oh, it's a summon? Uhm, ok... I don't really remember summons being like this in Final Fantasy IV, though... And now the rat is back again? Oh, he is gone again. This really looks like a chili pepper. So this is the level 50 kit, huh? Well, not really what I was expecting, but let's move on!

Wow, you get Bahamut! Look, he did his flashy attack, cool! Uhm, why is he staying? Isn't he supposed to go away after his attack? This is getting kind of weird, I'll be honest. I don't remember Rydia getting a dog (or is it really a rat?) and some.. shiny floating things. She does get Bahamut, so this is nice, but why is he big? And the rest so small? Why isn't he leaving? Oh, ok, he is leaving.
Wow, Phoenix now! Oh, we are talking now. That's the flashy attack, I suppose and... It's not going away, I guess. Oh, it just did. Kinda sucks that the flashy attack is just what Bahamut did, but with a different color.

Oh, now you get rid of the floating things and get Garuda, Titan and Ifrit! Like, the big versions! That's cool! Wait, why are they going away? Why is Bahamut staying? What's the difference? Oh wow, the dog is still there too... I don't really remember Rydia working this way.

Don't get me wrong, it does look cool! But... I feel kinda tricked now. Not really the "Final Fantasy summoner" I was expecting :/ I don't remember Rydia being like this...