Summoner is a Final Fantasy 14 summoner (not a warlock wow clone)

[rewd]

We all get it YOU and a few others hate the changes. How about stop trying to ruin others' fun or excitement? So instead of trying to bring ppl down to your level just leave them along and allow them to be excited. Guess what the changes is happening and there is nothing you and other doomsayers can do to stop it. The dev team had to and have made the decision and this is the smn we going to have for the next two years. If you want to criticize it fine but how about offering some structural criticism and offer suggestions to make smn better instead of just whining you just hit the same button over and over, and the spell effects are ugly. Also, I still say how about yall hold your judgments and wait to actually play the job.

If talking about how the new SMN works and is structured ruins your fun, excitement and arguments, it's not my problem. I'd say that's actually the point.

[aveyond-dreams]

If talking about how the new SMN works and is structured ruins your fun, excitement and arguments, it's not my problem. I'd say that's actually the point.

Thank you for admitting that your express purpose is to try and bring everyone's mood down. Misery loves company it seems. In any case you've largely been unsuccessful in convincing most people that the new summoner is bad, so why not do something more productive with your time than trying to turn back time to go back to the affliction warlock days now that the devs have said that "Yeah, we're absolutely done with this design?"

[rewd]

Thank you for admitting that your express purpose is to try and bring everyone's mood down. Misery loves company it seems. In any case you've largely been unsuccessful in convincing most people that the new summoner is bad, so why not do something more productive with your time than trying to turn back time to go back to the affliction warlock days now that the devs have said that "Yeah, we're absolutely done with this design?"

Thank you for making even clearer that, despite being very excited for a job whose main weapon is a book, your reading comprehension skills seem to be lacking.

[Sequora]

For me it’s not even necessarily that we had DoTs as a main source of damage. It’s just that all of our main DoTs were poison spells.

Bio, bio II and miasma in 2.0 we’re probably the most unimpressive looking and feeling spells in the game’s history. Barely noticeable, barely even a sound effect.

If they were elemental in nature to match the primals, I think it wouldn’t have been so bad. Maybe an earth, fire, and wind DoT. Then fester into aether overload or something.

That being said I am very happy with what I’ve seen for 6.0 summoner.

[Ayche]

God, if only people had hated the old Summoner for sensible reasons. You don't like dots or pets? Fine, whatever. But this posing around "Oooh, this is not a REAL Final Fantasy summoner" is so pathetic.

[aveyond-dreams]

God, if only people had hated the old Summoner for sensible reasons. You don't like dots or pets? Fine, whatever. But this posing around "Oooh, this is not a REAL Final Fantasy summoner" is so pathetic.

I present to you this ancient meme that was relevant up till recently. These egis were an eyesore and the fact that most of summoner's damage came from poison spells instead of -summons- who looked terrible were some of the top complaints the devs addressed in this rework.

Bahamut and Phoenix took forever to build up to and the rest of the time we had to look at a flying chicken nugget. That wasn't cool, that was pathetic. Now that we are summoning one being after another with trance spells in between, we finally have the class fantasy that we always wanted. So yeah, in the context of the entire FF series, affliction warlock was by far the worst iteration of summoner.

[VictoriaLuv]

I present to you this ancient meme that was relevant up till recently. These egis were an eyesore and the fact that most of summoner's damage came from poison spells instead of -summons- who looked terrible were some of the top complaints the devs addressed in this rework.

Bahamut and Phoenix took forever to build up to and the rest of the time we had to look at a flying chicken nugget. That wasn't cool, that was pathetic. Now that we are summoning one being after another with trance spells in between, we finally have the class fantasy that we always wanted. So yeah, in the context of the entire FF series, affliction warlock was by far the worst iteration of summoner.

I agree with you. they should get ride of egi's just have carbuncle. at least carbuncle looks nice. not this rolled up bad desided thing called egi floating around following me

[rewd]

Does it count as ruining excitement if we point out that meme is accurate for 89 levels on new SMN?

[MercuryD]

I just think both SMN are neat.

This. This right here. Yep. All of this

[Dyvid]

I played this game sense 1.0 from ARR until now. your right playing summoner is uncool. you have floating lalafel chicken nugget thing flying around. your dot aren't exciting ruin is boring. most of the time you just stand there doing hardly nothing casting raise on dead people most of time summoners don't do it like they have anything important to to do? remember virus? that ability that cross-class ability everyone else hand but you seem cant get it on cause returns. i do. I played every final fantasy until 14 even 11 don't sit there tell me they cant make pets look cosmicly decent not some floating chicken nugget that is ugly. back then bio and masima didnt even have animation if it did was boring. only cool spells you had was fester/shadow flare rest of it was hot garbage.

this hot garbage continue'd heavenward not so bad at least you got bahamut.. right? no you just got really nasty big rotation that down right frustrating to do. this only intensified. - remember tribind no one liked tribind. yet someone in squire-enix really!! liked that spell to bad no player base didn't finally squire enix desides to listen to pleas of players have love for final fantasy series they made summoner feel like summons. all i hearing/reading bunch of people crying/whining fussing. you should be happy! how ungrateful. we waited 10 long years for this. 10 long years. have summoner be summoner.

if want to play wow warlock go play wow. seriously

Yea, I remember managing Bio, Bio II, Miasma, Shadow Flare, Contagion, weaving oGCDs between. That is why I played the job, because I found it fun managing all those systems. Not for the 0MG I'M A 5UMM0N3R! If you want to play a WoW Demonic Warlock you should go play WoW. You can summon to your hearts content.

Bahamut and Phoenix took forever to build up to and the rest of the time we had to look at a flying chicken nugget. That wasn't cool, that was pathetic. Now that we are summoning one being after another with trance spells in between, we finally have the class fantasy that we always wanted. So yeah, in the context of the entire FF series, affliction warlock was by far the worst iteration of summoner.

Yep and when Demi Bahamut came out people instantly asked for it to be resized because they couldn't see the mechanics in a boss fight showing the community why Egi had to be small.

Also this is what people really wanted:


But doesn't matter now. You got what you wanted. Instead of a persist Ifrit Egi, you get a 5 second animation. Not sure why you need to booster SMN on you Alts however if they jobs is going to be so fun to play now but hey, you do you.